Upset :(
No Footwork, Hands Down, Taunting, Clowning, No Respect For Opponent = KNOCKOUT !!!
Silva is a Legend Though
Upset :(
No Footwork, Hands Down, Taunting, Clowning, No Respect For Opponent = KNOCKOUT !!!
Silva is a Legend Though
I'm a very big fan but he deserved to get knocked out while show boating.
Hand down, man down ! !! !! !! !! !!
Dive?
I wouldn't go as far as to say that, he was showin' his ass and not showing RESPECT to his opponent and got caught, I know if I took a dive I wouldn't get KO'd on purpose LoL
the fix was in!Quote:
Originally Posted by sean applegate
Joking, right? I hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean applegate
Cassius Clay like showboating motherfuckers deserve what they get. First alister now anderson. Anderson you cheated your fans, you could have won but you were a ridiculous man-child.
nah his eyes were in the back of his head and he grabbed on to Herb after Herb waived it off. If its a dive, Anderson is the best actor in the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean applegate
I think Andersons showboating isnt so much showing off, as it is his fighting style. Same with Muhammad Ali. They take a lot of slack for keeping their hands down, but theres some benefits that come with the obvious setbacks. Its usually going to be taller guys in the weight class who will do that, because they have the option of leaning back/out of reach better than shorter guys.. But they CAN move their head a lot faster with the change in weight distribution by dropping their hands. Example: Take your hands and put them straight up in the air, try to weave to the left/right as fast as you can a few times. Then bring them down to your chin and do it again. You'll notice you can move a lit faster. Then do it again and drop them down by your hips (Like Ali/Silva), and youll notice the same thing again. Sure you risk the chance of getting rocked if they do hit you (As seen in the last fight).. but a LOT of the times youre going to break them mentally by dodging hits in a way theyre not used to when people have their hands up. Getting a shot blocked isnt as hard mentally as seeing a guy put his hands down and dodging them. To the opponent it looks like a high level of confidence that is being backed by his ability to not let you hit him. To Anderson, i think its all part of his style/strategy. Granted, I think he could do the same strategy without the dancing/pretending to crumble (Which got him koed this time). But then again, thats a mental jab in and of itself if you do it without getting hit. My 2 cents.
I would have thought that tapping would be an easier dive during chris' submission attack rather than "Faking a KO" which i don't think it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean applegate
I don't think he took a dive but he clearly wasnt trying and didn't give a f*** anymore. You could tell by the post fight interview.
'nah, I don't want a rematch or to fight for the title again, thanks for making me rich and changing the lives of my family, PEACE!'
I don't know how to quote people, but well said chronic jiu jitsu. I agree 100%.
I don't think the fight was fixed, but for what it's worth, it did seem as though Anderson simply wanted out. It appeared as though he wanted to lose. He was acting really weird leading up to the fight (letting the challenger hold the belt; who does that?). Also, Weidman was throwing big and missing big. Anderson had several opportunities to counter and he didn't take one of them even though we all know he could have.
This is a good point, but I think Anderson doesn't want to fight anymore period. If he lost by submission, people would still want him to fight again, because a submission doesn't show where the losing fighter is at in terms of accumulated damage (or at least not in most cases). He gets knocked out and everybody says that he's done and should hang 'em up, which seems to be the direction he's leaning in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew "Chewie" James
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Originally Posted by Justin Patten
Tiny "benefits" if at all, crazy risk. Maybe it was more effective in the 1960's but whos knows how shaky he would have been today if he had kept his guard up. If it is a fighting style, then it is a very stupid one.Quote:
Originally Posted by chronic_jiujitsu
I dont know. It definitely sounds stupid. And everyone obviously knows the setbacks. But think of all the most elusive fighters and youll start to notice a pattern. Anderson silva, Ali, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Jones, Machida... A lot of the most iconic figures in fighting, seem to have this seemingly huge "flaw" in their style. They all like to drop their hands while striking. (Mayweather usually likes to drop just the front hand, and guard with the other + his shoulder). But regardless of how dumb the idea sounds, there's no denying its working for some of the very top guys. And ironically, its all the ones who seem to be almost impossible to hit. If you can just dodge a few of those first shots. Not only will their punches be slower because theyre exhausting themselves.. But theyre mentally breaking as well. Which will make finishing them much easier when you do decide to. Its like jiujitsu. If you can allow your opponent very dominant positions, and keep defending in a way that makes them think theyll never get you.. It makes it much easier to win once you start your offense. (See Glover or Ryron as good examples). Sure its not a great strategy for everyone, but there's no denying that as dumb as it sounds at first... Its working at the top levels for some who choose to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
If Anderson kept his hands up and tried he would have won that fight if it kept standing. I think if Chris got it back to the ground he would have submitted Anderson. Silva did defend the knee bar and heel hook in round 1 but idk if he could have defended every attack and he wasnt doing much to get back to his feet minus the heel hook escape
He threw that fight.
He should go into show business then cause that dive was played very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Chartier
Personally I believe that some of the top guy choose to do it because many fans (for some reason) love it. I think its more a matter of extremely talented guys getting away with something risky. Isn't that why people like to see it? If you call winning a fight despite unnecessary risk, "working", then I guess it works for some guys. I do think you are mixing guys coming from a style that keeps the hands lower or bad habits with those that are showboating on a couple of these guys. Intimidation is a factor in fighting so is, more importantly not getting K.O.'ed. Any striking coaches telling their guys to drop their hands, square their feet and taunt their opponents?Quote:
Originally Posted by chronic_jiujitsu
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Originally Posted by Gary Chartier
Taunt opponents = no.. Drop a hand.. Yes. My old Boxing instructor was one of those guys who used to drop his hand when he'd fight. (and not to show off/be cocky) And given my height/weight.. he showed me the technique behind it and let me work with it.. and I personally feel much more comfortable/safe with my hand down. Its like a manual metronome. The slower you want it to move, the higher you raise the weight. Its the exact same principal. (Granted, I like the Mayweather approach of keeping one hand up and blocking along with the shoulder, but theres no doubt your head movement is faster when both hands are down). And youll notice, thats not what got Anderson caught. It was his ego/showboating. He was fine until he pretended to get hurt and closed his eyes for a split second. Then after getting tagged again, he dodged the next few by leaning back.. until he couldnt lean anymore.. Thats what happens when you stop using your technique and start fighting with your ego. Hands up or not. However, I still agree with you. I think the showboating is much more common in people with that style.. and i think its because they know itll sell more tickets. And while I agree the chance of getting koed if caught is more likely, the chance of actually getting caught is significantly lower. Not saying its the best idea.. just saying I think theres a method to the madnessQuote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
I agree.
I'm not saying he wasn't knocked out. He certainly was. I think there is more to it, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
I dont think his heart is in it anymore thats for sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Gary Chartier
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith