Best subs for different body types.

So I'm in class last night and I get paired up with this dude who was probably around 260 and tall I'm about 160 5"9 so we start rolling and I kept getting top position and keeping it but I had no way to finish. I got a guillotine from mount twice and couldn't finish it because his neck was so thick, I had his back twice and couldn't get the rear naked because his shoulders and neck were huge (he also had sick defence) so in this sort of situation what sort of thing do you guys suggest someone my size should work?

If he has 100 pounds on you and sick defense, it sounds like a good opportunity to improve your finishes. From the back, are you able to grab one wrist to prevent him defendind with 2 on 1? Can you lock that arm with your leg?

I dunno I was trying but he was strong I really couldn't control his arms very well.

If you are in the gi: from both the mount and the back the ezequiel choke (sode guruma jime or sleeve wheel choke). Freaking love it, it's like 80 percent for me at least. From the mount you can fake an arm triangle to set it up. Be careful though as it is very easy to go too hard and make the person hoarse for a week :).

Do you ever try to transition to spider web? That seems to be a great position even against bigger guys.

I've found that larger folks are *usually* less flexible and more susceptible to joint locks but do have a higher choke tolerance. Skinnier folks tend to be more flexible and less susceptible to joint locks while having a lower choke tolerance.

That said, when I roll with fat guys I go for joint locks and with skinny guys it's chokes. YMMV.

dunno if you were in Gi or no gi, but i usualy have the same problem, im only 145 5'8" and i've rolled with guys that have over 100lbs on me, one of our guys is half hispanic and half hawaiian so hes basicaly built like a sumo wrestler. hes got well over 140lbs on me.

for gi situations, the ezequiel choke, cross collar choke work wonders for me.
if im lucky enough to obtain mount i reach around to the back of their collar, circle my arm around and place my forearm on their throat and try to force all my weight onto their throat. havent tried moving into side mount when attempting this on bigger guys as im affraid they'll sit up or just turn in/over and take me.

think bigger/muscular guys are also vulnerable to bicep andcalf slicers aswell .

I don't know why, and it doesn't make sense on paper.. but bicep slicers. I seem to catch ripped dudes the most with bicep slicers.

If i find i cant choke out a bigger guy due to neck size i will often goto my knees behind him pull him onto his upper tailbone and work the neck crank. Then if that dosent work im right there for north south

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Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

I don't know why, and it doesn't make sense on paper.. but bicep slicers. I seem to catch ripped dudes the most with bicep slicers.

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I always thought of it as the bigger the block of meat the sharper my skinny limbs feel :)

It was a no gi class so lots of those options were not available. I had an opportunity where I could've north south choked him but I'm not very confident in the north south choke because I haven't drilled it much, could that be a good move to try against a bigger guy? The neck crank and bicep slicer sound good but what are some good moves for a comp just say if a smaller guy decided to go in the abosulte division what sort of moves do you guys think us smaller guys should drill?

leg locks work best for big guys....

Against really big guys chokes can be hard because a lot of those guys have no necks. Triangles can be hard to get locked properly unless you have really long legs. I would probably go for leg locks on a dude who was that much bigger than me, but if you can get on top against a dude that big it's usually preferable because then they get tired quicker. A lot of times I'll get armbars when big dudes just try to power out of a bad position without using technique. The swimmove is good when someone tries to power out from being mounted.

I dont usually go for north south choke on big guys but find the position of north south to work great for control.