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Who comes to mind when you think of someone with a mean knee on belly? I prefer the position over side control and I cant really think of any KOB killers out there. The only instructional I'm seeing is by a guy named Jared Weiner and a few youtube videos but it doesnt seem like too many people have put the time into it to make it a dead zone. Just a theory of course..
Lighter guys use it a lot because it's so easy to transition from. I think a lot of people get too hung up on using it to crush ribs and don't use it as a way to float
I like to get to it then as if with any type of offensive position look to transition to the sub. I've been going to the position to see what the reaction is and there's a ton of possibilities. Cyborg has a great triangle transition I'm going to drill. The only escape ive seen is when they jam your knee on belly foot in to get to a quarter guard. Which is actually pretty easy to counter with a simple knee slice/baseball slide. I dunno I just really like the position because you can make it very uncomfortable and have quite a few submission opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
I mostly use it to stabilize the pass. It stops them from getting the bottom knee in or relooping. Usually, they turn in and you can spin to the back.
jeff glover has some KOB stuff as well
Some Examples:
At :18 you see Sim go knee on belly then spin. Its really fast, but that's exactly what I am talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xju37h8XdzI
At 1:19 you can see the floating, how he uses knee on belly to switch sides. Windshield wiper is just so awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krM7AGlxrKI
Those are just off the top of my head, Glover does it a lot too I just can't think of specific matches. Sorry for only using my coach, I have his matches better memorized than other people
I hardly ever go to KOB... I think i am going to utilize it as much as possible this week and see what I think.
Brent- Thank you for being you.
I competed against a black belt named Daniel Tavarez. He made me a believer in knee on belly. I have been playing with it since.
I don't know what that means but you are very welcome :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rachael Kaulig
Gray- those were a couple great examples. I always forget about Sim but I really like his style.
Cade Nelson (10th planet black belt) just showed us some really good stuff from KOB last month. He plays it with a ton of success and he is like 130lbs or less. He's an awesome guy and an awesome grappler. KOB is a high finesse position. Takes alot of balance and sensitivity to be played right. Much more difficult without the gi for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
I'm a straight ko belly dancer. Love it. You are so much faster than them here.
I use knee on belly over side control, I like to switch between knee on belly and knee on head/neck (cruel, but v.useful, especially in fights) - opens up a lot of arm-bar opportunities, plus some top-triangle set-ups
Cyborg is a KOB killer. His nogi tornado DVD has some serious KOB gold in it.
http://www.budovideos.com/online/sho...h-jeff-glover/
At around the 8:30 mark Glover shows a fun triangle from KOB.
I'm with you Brent, it's a go to for me. Very comfortable up there but def. need to work more options from there as well.
Same triangle Cade Nelson showed last month. There's a whole game he uses there. Cade is Jeff Glover's landlord/roommate, they train together all day every day... I assume they share all their techs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Morgan
KoB is a staple in my side control game. I use it mostly as a way to transition to subs or better positions. My favorite setups are farside and nearside armlocks, plus the whole japanese/peruvian necktie and darce/marce. However, even better of late, is a killer kneebar I found from bottom to counter KoB. I'll have to show a video soon :)
I use KOB all the time. I got really into after watching the way Royler used it no-gi during some of the earlier ADCCs. He slides the shin across while he's still low; never comes up to base on the outside foot.
Belly dance is big for me, switching from side to side with the position.
As far as available submissions, I'm a big believer in the baseball bat choke from there. Spinning arm bar and Kimura work together really well. My main set up there is the arm triangle, though.
Totally forgot the baseball bat choke!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
Glad to hear theres some KOB believers on the forum :)
Love KOB to set up my darce,can crush, north south, mount attack series. Used baseball bat all the time in the gi, not to much sucess no-gi
KOB has been my go to from side control for a long time. Even if guys defend it just keep going back to it. It sucks the life out of them. Its like a video game, everytime they defend and you just go right back to it you can see the energy meter in their eyes keep dropping. Eventually what was perfect defense the first few times becomes sloppy as the panic sets in and they cant breath:)
I got finished in the pro tourney at Kakuto with a baseball bat choke. They work great no Gi :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
Just like everything else, there's a couple of make or break details that'll make you a believer.
Jared Weiner has the best set out yet that Ive seen. Operation Knee On Belly
http://youtu.be/G7L3S-Nf2ew
This thread has perfect timing for me. I was just wanting some info on KOB.
That's the right way to think about it! Use it to surf and suck the will to continue from your opponent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Schuettenberg
Remember that it's a dynamic position rather than a static one and your control here will improve dramatically.
I have found higher success using just my pointer and middle finger on both hands because you can get your elbows much closer together. Ive heard it referred to as "paper cutter".Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
Law of Attraction!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
I can vouch for this.. at least a few times a night..Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
Sitting on my couch trying to figure out how to do it with just those fingers!! I can finish the choke no problem, if I get that far. With the gi collar you can go slower to the choke. Now without the gi it just seems like I telegraph it to much, and unless the person is a noob, they can duck out. I also don't have a next move in line and always seem to lose position. Seems you really have to go for it no gi. In recent days I have really cut down on things that I can't string together or things that I really lose position if they fail. so many things to perfect so little time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
I had an old training partner that was also a rock climber,yoga and could do somersaults and other crazy stuff on a 1" webbing slack line. Check out crazy slack lining vids on youtube if you don't know what slackling is. his balance was off the chart. He didn't have many other BJJ skills and I was way better than him, but he could surf a KOB forever!! I remember being soo frustrated. Really demoralizing. He was by far the very best KOB player I have ever encountered. KOB can be very devastating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
I love KOB! Been hitting the baseball bat choke from there a lot lately! Rigan Machado is someone that I've always heard people talk about as having a soul crushing KOB!
Haha Im bad about explaining things via text.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
Hello Nibiru-Warriors,
this is my first reply on this forum...so...time to celebrate, bitches!
I am a 10P white belt at the moment but a bluebelt in Luta Livre so Ankle Locks are some of my strongest moves. And the KOB is an awesome position to set up those.
If the guy is pushing your Knee or you just did an leg drag, you switch to a reverse KOB belly. Pretty low at his hip, not like you would use to set up the triangle-stuff.
From there just get your knee under his leg, so you controll his upper-leg between your legs ( you are standing on your toes and pinch your knees togehter like in an armbar. Kind of this but with better controll; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAliKmzSOC8 ).
From there you can go for a Kneebar or Ankle-Locks, Heel Hooks etc.
Its kind of suprising because its direct and its always good to change von upper body to lower body attacks. Also its hard to counter done right.
The KOB is generell an hard to sweep, reverse or regain guard from, especially when you are staying active and mobile.
Best position in MMA for striking in my opinion. You can strike straight, hammerfist, elbow body, head, legs with a lot of distance/power and always switch sides, legs or just mount. In Vale Tudo or streetfights you can easily stomp, soccerkick and if the guys pulls a knife you can walk away. Also you dont ruin you knees on hard floor.
Other go to´s from me in this position are mounted cruzifx, triangle-chokes and kimuras. Kimuras and Armbars can be set up very good by windshield wiping the nearside arm.
As former said, Cyborg has some good KOB stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ao9WGCG6NQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54_zg9BzsGM
Also all the stuff Stephan Kesting does in this vid can be done (even better in my opinion) from KOB
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrvssT0wHiQ
Guys i hope you like my idea of the ankle lock, if you are interested i can make a quick vid.
I hope for a good exchange of knowledge and positiv energy across the atlantic.
"Peace und dicke Titten" from Nils out of Hamburg