Knee advice

OK Guys, this is preemptive.

I have always been flexible, beyond the norm. When I was training full time in TKD, I was one of those guys that could do the splits between chairs and sink lower, all three ways. So I never thought I would have issues with Jits.

I am working the rubber guard hard. I mean, being that I only started jits a year and 4 months ago, it is my GO TO game. I work mission control every time I am on my back.

I can feel my knee is starting to loosen up in a bad way. Anytime I curl my left leg I can feel that the joint is a little loose, and it's a little painful. Nto when I am rolling though, I am talking about when I am walking, or for example if there was a piece of paper on the ground and I grabbed it with my toes and pulled it towards me.

I am wanting to stop any more damage from happening BEFORE it's too late and before I need a fucking brace or surgery.
Now lets get specific:
Looking at this pic:

http://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/web...pages/knee.jpg

When I am working RG I feel strain in my LCL. When I stretch before rolling I do some butterfly stretches and some others that are specific to rubberguard, and I feel that same strain in the LCL.

Day to day though, when I am walking around, I am felling my knee joint loosening up and I feel like the ACL and the PCL are starting to wear or stretch.

Please guys. I fucking LOVE my knees. I wakeboard like a champ, flipping over the water like 8 feet high, and come down hard on the knees, and I haven't even gone out this year riding because of the way my knee feels, and I don't want to fuck it and not be able to do jits.

I love Jiu Jitsu so much that I am willing to walk away from wakeboarding forever if I have to , but I gotta save this knee joint. I know a lot of you will have advise on this, so please don't hold back.
Thank you.

Hard to say what the problem is without seeing a video of how you play RG. If its being done right, it shouldn't be causing you pain, especially since you say you're flexible to begin with.

your ankle in your mission control should never be closer to your head then your knee is if you get what im saying should keep everything in line, only problem i've had with my knee in rubber was when this good wrestler just sprawled on my carni attempt, good thing it was just a quick pain and no damaga done.

When stretching (or playing RG), flex your toes and foot upward, poking your heel out, as used in butterflies or a triangle. This will allow your muscles to aid your ligaments in supporting your knee.

Sorry to hear this man. Of course if you can afford it a doctor would be a good thing. A standard valgus stress test could tell a lot about you knee.

Since i hurt my own knee recently Ive been educating myself on the knee. You can see the acl,pcl and mcl dont attach to muscles (just connect bone to bone) Since there are no muscles that directly use the ligament the thinking seems to be that in order to protect them you basically have to work all the muscle groups of the knee to build support. Light exercises with elastic bands, quad contractions, stationary bikes and body weight squats are often recommended.

Do you have any popping, bubbles or sand in the joint feelings or just a sense of looseness?

You can see the LCL limits the distance that the head of the femur and the fibula can move apart. If your pulling down on your lower leg in mission control then your def stretching it. (especially if your toes are pointed in the direction of your head instead of up to the sky) If you have lengthened the stabilizing ligaments then the joint is going to feel loose, you'll be prone to injury and your meniscus could start to suffer. Not pretending to be a rubber guard master (in fact i suck at it) But I try to pull my leg to my body using my hip muscles and avoid pulling down with your wrist on the ankle (just keep it together)

I got a a purple in TKD (4th kup equivalent where i went) but i gotta say hip flexibility is a different thing.

I hate to say it but IMO you should rest that knee and baby the shit out of it. You can always play weak side rubber guard. Personally i would get high as giraffe pussy and just spend some time thinking about and feeling the knee.

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I would rest your knee for awhile. Start forcing to half and work your lockdown, or go to butterfly and develop an X. Give it a couple months, then revisit.

I would also add in strength training.

Thanks for that Aaron.
Thanks to everyone who is contributing.

Yeah I just got home from the gym and there is definitely some looseness in that joint now. When I did hamstring curls I had to go light light light. Like 50 pounds for two sets of 20, then 95lbs for a set of 10.

I had always had a click but now it seems to click more and more often. I am going to really focus on my knee angle with the RG game though. I think I have been pulling the foot up higher then the knee, like what Rivello was talking about.

definately can't pull the foot ahead of the knee, i doubt you'll have trouble after you fix that.

Proper rehab and most importantly KNEE AND BODY PREHAB exercises that everyone in the fam should be doing, but doesn't should have no trouble lifting this burden from you mind.. I sent you a pm with some content that should be of much value. ;]

I strained my lcl trying to gogo a guy in a tournament to get him to move. He put all his weight on me!!! Owwwww! Still beat him though but taught me a valuable lesson . . . I was flat on my back and in a bad position to even try the move. I don't blame rubber guard it was the way I was using it. However, you should talk to the doc. My LCL is still a little sore so I am training my weak side for a while.

DanConway shall now be known as "TheMAN" Conway. Thank you brother. Pre-emptive. I want to stop this before it starts.

I've been playing rg for about 14 years now and I'm still using it every night I roll. That being said, if I were you Kurzy, I would not play RG for a few months and really work your lotus. Get in full lotus and just sit there for 10 minutes at a time a few times a day. And ad squats to your weekly routine to strengthen your legs.

Just my 2 cents #alittletussinwonthurteither :-)

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Proper rehab and most importantly KNEE AND BODY PREHAB exercises that everyone in the fam should be doing, but doesn't should have no trouble lifting this burden from you mind.. I sent you a pm with some content that should be of much value. ;]

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dont keep that info a secret bro. Whats up with this prehab?

I work my legs hard on leg day, no lack of exercise there. My legs are quite strong. I could stand to work lotus though, but I am afraid that might cause more harm than good....

I'm not sure what the health system in Canada is like but if you can find a really good sports physio I would see them immediately. Anytime I have an issue I see the physio and between treatment and rehab exercises he usually fixes me up in no time. It is important, if you do see a health professional, to take their advice. It can be hard being told to take some time off training but the risk is you will injure yourself more by rolling whilst injured.

On another note, I have had knee issues my entire adult life and have found taking glucosamine and fish oil (or now krill oil) beneficial.

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Proper rehab and most importantly KNEE AND BODY PREHAB exercises that everyone in the fam should be doing, but doesn't should have no trouble lifting this burden from you mind.. I sent you a pm with some content that should be of much value. ;]

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could u post that up here or send me a pm as well? cheers dude

tbh, im in teh same boat. im going to a physio soon and im getting myself a brace tomorrow. ive also changed to using my bad rubber guard.

my question is with the lotus, i can get into it fine with both legs and have them both on the ground and even lie down a bit. my knee still hurts. does the lotus actually strengthen the knee joint?

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. does the lotus actually strengthen the knee joint?

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No, it is beneficial though because it gives your hip a rotating flexability.

i was thinking lotus helps prevent knee injury by making the hip flexible but getting into lotus stresses the knee some untill you have that hip flexibility?

Exactly what I worry about.

hey kurzy, ive just been at the physio today with my leg problems and what she told me was that because of the way i stand, my left knee locks itself into place, so it pushes itself right back. because of this and a few other problems, the left knee is really weak and so is the left leg because the muscles arnt able to do the right job. theres a muscle that helps lock the knee and its going crazy because of how loose my knee is.

i dont really understand completly what she was saying, but one way to see if you have a problem like mine si to do one legged squats, just small ones, and watch where your knee goes, if it goes down at an angle instead of going straight down and bending straight forward. then you may have the same kind of problem. i would seriously go in to a sports physiotherapist and ask about it.

sorry if my explanation isnt very clear, as i said, im not exactly clear myself what it means but its better to get in quick rather than too late.

good luck dude/ anyone having knee problems

i gotta know, how long would it take you to get in to see an osteopath or orthopedic surgeon and how much would it cost? Just wondering whats up with the medical care in Canada?

Personally if i didn't go to a state university I would have had to either drive 9 hours to see my uncle (hes an MD) or go to the emergency room and basically be bankrupted by debt. It would probably cost a couple thousands and with an mri many thousands. No regular family practitioner will take me as a patient because i dont have insurance, its nearly impossible to stay on county medical care with the frequency and amount of paperwork you have to do and all it get you is the right to wait for at least half a day to be seen by the only doctor in the area that takes it. If i needed surgery i would be fucked plain and simple. No possible way to get it no matter how long i waited.

As it is they charge us $300/semester for the student health center whether you use it or not so they were able to diagnose my knee wo/x-rays and mri since they know i couldn't afford it.

It would take a few months, but nothing crazy like what you're talking about.