https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...WtiOEbOuk#t=77
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Nice, at first I was like WTF!! But I watched it again, that was nice.
I hate that choke. Just got choked with that same one yesterday lol
Cool vid, but the gi is unrealistic.. double guard pull to a berimbolo joust, then choking a guy that has your back...gi is so not interesting. It's as impractical as watching people arm wrestle..
Again, I respect bjj, it's just not for me, I apologize if I upset anyone.
I'm the kind of guy that if you tell me there is a twist, I tend to figure it out before the twist. I saw the choke as it was happening cuz I was looking for it. Very slick.
ScottRay, I disagree. The gi does have some real world practicality. And while gi and no gi are almost different arts altogether, the gi is beautiful in its own way. Respect the revolution. But also, respect the roots, you know?
100% agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Does this choke have a name? I think I see what was happening, but I'd love to be able to get a clear idea.
baseball choke.
You can see one of my teammates warming up in the corner and my prof. talking to in the audience. Pretty random considering this is the first vid I've watched from the tourney.
As I said, I respect the roots. But I also respect ancient sword fighting, in japan 1500 ad, it was the absolute most practical fighting style. There's a reason it's not practical anymore. Same with the gi. In 1800 Japan, everyone had on a kimono. Choking someone with that huge flap of cloth thats aleays guaranteed to he there was very practical. How many of you have used a double guard pull to a berimbolo joust, to a baseball choke variation in the street? How many of you have used any kinda gi choke in the street? I'm sure on YouTube you can find a guy choking a guy with his jacket.. I can also find a vid of someone doing a jump spin kick and getting a KO also, doesn't mean it's practical fighting.
I'm certain I upset someone, as I always do. I apologize ahead of time for the bashing I've earned by roweling up the gi guys.
firstly nice to see a finish, but i have to say i hate that double guard pull lets play footsies pant leg tug of war match until one of us gets a berimbolo. if the other person has already pulled guard just take it and work your top game
ScottRay, Practicality is circumstantial. Bjj is impractical against multiple opponents. You don't want to fight on the ground and you don't want to maintain guard if you're on your back. Boxing is impractical if you're on your back. Bjj is impractical if you can't take a guy down.
My point is that gi bjj is still very practical. Gi chokes may not always be available, but if someone knows it, why not? Al Bundy (I forget his real name) actually ended a real life confrontation with a gi choke using a guys shirt.
As far as hating double guard pulls and criticizing the realism, remember its a sport. Guys are playing by rules. Don't like? Don't watch. There's sport bjj, mma bjj, and self defense bjj. Criticizing sport bjj for its impracticality doesn't make a whole lotta sense.
I just say, respect it for what it is. It's from that that we came from. But in the end, you're 100% entitled to your opinions and preferences. I'm just adding some perspective to consider cuz I think gi hate is unmerited.
Ed O'Neil is his name (Al Bundy)Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Also I would like to make it clear I'm not hating on the Gi or guard pulling either. just the moment when one person has already pulled guard and you choose to do the exact same thing. And I get that people have their own styles, evolution of the sport, etc, etc. But it is a move that a lot of people find unappealing and how will this affect it, will it stay a major part of the sport or will it fade away?
i think its a loop chokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Thom B.
double guard and berimbolos are a part of the sport, and have nothing to do with self defense. Shit you see berimbolos and dobule guard in no-gi too. Gi and nogi aren't as different as people like to think.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottRay
Street fight with no grips is just as unrealistic. SOOO impractical. It's like you can take elements of both sports or something and incorporate them into self-defense. Intredesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottRay
better work your gi game more son.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonrivello
Loop choke variation
you right you right, i thought he did the baseball bat thing
I wouldnt say the gi is impractical. Yes you wouldnt double guard pull into a berimbolo situation in a street fight but would you play any sort of guard in a street fight for an extended amount of time? I sure wouldnt be using any sort of rubber guard just like I wouldnt be using a berimbolo in a street fight.
Gi, no gi, its all jiu jitsu and there shouldnt be this weird separation that seems to be splitting the two. Onward and upward.
Loop chokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonrivello
Oops Kevin beat me to it.
Thats what I thought he was going to do too as I was watching it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonrivello
Urgh!!! This choke is the bane of my excistence
this is mine. Been caught in this mofo a couple of times hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Clinton lawrence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RtV6pJppho&list=PLpZ3j-7w-H736FqrWpY7Yln5ZJvTFE8dR&index=7
I really like the baseball bat choke. I prefer the set up from KOB but this set up is a good trick for sure.
I know a guy that will latch on to the Ezekiel from anywhere he can get it. It doesnt matter if you pass his guard youre screwed.
Wow, slick
Of course there's gi tech that can help you out in a 'practical' situation. People wear a lot of clothes out there (unless you only have to defend yourself during beach volleyball). I'm sure there's some guys in a coat that's been introduced to the pavement by some judoka. Sure, some stuff isn't 'practical', chess won't help me in a street fight, but I'll still play it.
Ref: "let me lift his legs to get blood flowing back to his brain"Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
Conscious guy: "let me preform the Heimlich to make sure no blood gets to his brain"
Eddie has a great story about how well gi chokes work with a t-shirt.
The gracie brothers have a whole instructional on it and they show how you can even use one of those keychain leashes. Kind of funny but back in the day in the back of martial arts magazines they sold Velcro watch bands that opened up that you could use to preform sleeve chokes.
Haaaaaaaaaahhaaahahaha..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jared Gammel
"Holy shit it worked.!? Omg.. Dude I'm so sorry! Please don't be dead!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
I seriously can't even see wtf is happening in that first video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc7pf...ature=youtu.beQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc7pfVGPGig&feature=youtu.beQuote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy