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The arm crush, one of my favorite submissions, is one of the hardest to teach. Every time I attempt to break it down for people, it seems I eventually say, "Eh. You'll just have to keep at it until you can feel it." I can't find that magic detail that makes it happen for people.
So A) Do you have any advice on teaching the arm crush?
B) What move do you find the hardest to teach?
I find the most important detail is making sure the attackers leg/calf is perpendicular to the opponents forearm, and not in the "knee pit". Also making sure the deep hooking forearm is in the crook of the opponents elbow, not elbow pit to elbow pit.
Then there are a number of subtle details that can improve finishes , like rotating the radius bone and forarm to the wide part of the wrist for a larger nut in the nutcraker. And changing the angle of attack more to the headside for those that have flexibility issues.
It's something I use all the time so addressing problem areas with this sub is something I'm familiar with, techniques that are hardest to teach for me are usually ones I use the least, or those that my bad hip/knee make it difficult to demonstrate properly.
If someone is having a hard time finding the right position or angle, doing the move on them so they feel the pressure seems to help.
Thanks for those tips. Strangely, the arm crush is a move that I've always been able to do. I just have a knack for it and I think that's why I have a hard time isolating the details that make it work.
Its my favorite move and one of my best. Teaching it can be difficult, but I find adjusting their angles seems to be the biggest part of teaching it effectively. The proper posture and angle will help them understand it really well, really quick.
The Twister pass can be a long demonstration as you have to break down top half grips, deal with unlocking the Lock down, making the switch to face the legs and defeating his grips on you or else you cant turn to face the legs, all the detailson maintaining balance to avoid being swept, covering undercooking the knee and freeing the knee, thats a hand fight in itself, now the next lot of hand fighting to free the leg, so for me, its not that its hard to teach, but it is most challenging as it has so many fires the student needs to go thru to even technically grasp the entire pass. Not to mention that you can set it up as a flowing pass from standing from open guard or from 1/4 clinch as well.
Did that make any sense? You see even writing it down can be technical lol
swim move from prison guard
zog nailed it in first post..
The arm crush is one of those moves that takes longer to master than most moves, like a straight ankle lock & marcelotine. Lots of little tiny synchronized details. But luckily and obviously, the more reps you do the more your body starts to realize what to do on it's own. #repscreatemagic
Back when I was a teacher's aide while I was in college, I noticed this with the match teacher's most. It's like, for them, math just comes easy so they don't know how to exactly communicate the details that help it click for a lot of the students. That's why some BJJ guys are amazing competitors, not great teachers. For them it just comes natural. Then other guys are amazing teachers because they had to work hard to figure it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottross
A cool trick I observed with one math teacher was he would find a kid that struggled who eventually figured it out and then learn from the the kid how the kid finally understood it, and then include that in the lesson. I hope that makes sense.
True story. I still hit stuff that I forgot I knew. It just comes back to me....and this is after a year lay off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Don't you love it when you explain a move and talk about an option you could possibly have and everybody drills the option instead of what you really wanted to them to work? Everyday teaching is a learning experience.
North south choke!! I use it all the time, can't teach it, and have people just get it. Way to many "feely" details that I think can only be learned thru personal trial and error.
There are steps brotha, just like every other technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
1)Turn their chin away (regardless of how you transition to it).
2)Your shoulder to their chest, then scoot back,pushing off the hip with your free hand towards their head so the arm slides down around the neck.
3) Gable grip with the arm around the neck facing palm down.
4)The same arm pinches the elbow in tight towards your own ribs.
5)The same arm shoulder now drops down to the mat (think paper cutter) towards the gable grip.
6)Head to the mat, breath and squeeze.
7)Run around in victory!
The Japanese necktie. People just cant grasp the concept of falling to your shoulder. Not sure why cause I had picked it up easilyQuote:
Originally Posted by scottross
Thanks Zog, That is almost word for word my instruction. I have omitted step #7, maybe that is why nobody gets it. Can't say I have ever had a single person start using NS because of me. I just quit trying to teach it. Sooo much other stuff to focus on.
Number 7 is key!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
Once I added #7 into my instruction everything came together. Everyone is on point now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
That sounds like a good trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
To me the key detail in the Japanese Necktie relates to the hand position. People are always attempting to move their hands into the right place and that's where it falls apart. They loosen their grip by trying to get to the choke.
Once the vice grip is in place, don't attempt to reposition your hands at all. Your hands will rotate to the right spot due to your body falling to the side. That's the way to keep the head clinched into the right position.
It seems to be the hardest for me to learn! I can't get it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
i jsut wanted to add in my two cents about the arm crush. something we worked on when i was in germany was unclenching my fist, when your s gripping or gable gripping you forearm is thicker, (mindblanked the technical correct term) and this helps the person get the arm crush. we would let the grip go, while pulling the arm away from teh opponent to keep it tense and then slowly let the arm slip through and grab it again when its out. this puts you back in a triangle but id rather a triangle than a armcrush/armbar.
anyway i jsut wondered if that could be a missing piece, watching to see how flat their hands are. when i have my hand flat it still hurts but its uncomfortable, never anywhere near actually painful.
ive always gotten the arm crush, it jsut came easy to me but tobi and verena explained it really well, and tobi put me in it heaps so i guess that helped too.
hope that helped.