http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozm-GU6Y6L0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzmHTZXyZE
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ok, but didn't Eric B. & Rakim proclaim "Don't Sweat the Technique"? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y1Emb7Jyks)
honestly, i don't know who to believe anymore
Awesome find Eddie! Kudos.
Here's more proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqJAOa9DbXs&feature=related
They're busting their balls, but the technique's just not there.
This dude looks like hes cut from the same cloth of Kenny Florian and Ben Stiller
Beautiful, can I come train at your school Eddie?
to sum it up in the great words of eddie bravo "Get in the squeezes and do the reps"
ttt!
IMPORTANCE OF DRILLING: (MY $0.2)
A while back, I bought Eddie's Mastering the RG, and Twister books + the DVD set. My problem was going into class only a couple of times a week, or getting a training partner to commit to the same training schedule on the nights that I'm not in class training to actually drill technique. I found myself in situations where I was thinking about "ok what do i do from here" type shit during live sparring, and getting caught or smashed because I couldn't put things together quick enough. My opponents easily would immediately down play techniques that I was trying as saying see that doesn't work..etc.
My wife eventually got frustrated of me "trying a move on her".. & determined to drill, I purchased a grappling dummy.
Now they're definitely certain moves that just aren't possible in my circumstances, although they're definitely plenty that are.
I practice and breakdown the elements of so many different techniques that are possible. I started to draft up a sheet, each outlining the techniques for the day, each technique attempted 3times a piece, and I do this about 3times a week. Luckily the GD I use actually postures up in my guard, so I continously drill the basic path in this process. Now nothing will ever substitute an actual training person to work with, but the point is now when i get into class, i see the move in front of me before i get into the position, the flow aspect of it so much quicker, of course now things change cause I'm in a live sparring situation, but that's okay at least i understand the flow of the technique through DRILLING :o)
Maybe Americans are just soft from there life style, like look how bad ass this guy is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6e3xOeFNaI&feature=related
LMFAO i was thinking the SAME THING! ahahahahahahahahahQuote:
Originally Posted by Aikijiujitsu
I can substantiate this from my own observations. I trained with many Russians over many years (not the crazy, skinny kooks you see on youtube), a lot of ex military whom believe in that cyborg, linear mentality when it comes to combat , and they believe in one thing only -- muscle memory (especially when it comes to breathing, as stress can restrict breathing).
Look at it form this perspective. All Russian males have to do military service. They all have to do 'the field', so to speak, whether at home, or stationed abroad in a foreign country. In the military, they want to create a body dynamic that performs on muscle memory alone, especially when the mental capacity is overwhelmed by either fear or information bombardment -- only the body goes into action, precise and accurate, without having to think.
So you can see, since all males are indoctrinated into this process (the military being a sort of cultural right of passage), this way of looking at combat sports and life can easily spill over and can become a ubiquitous mindset in Russian culture, where the older males teach the young. And maybe you can argue that this has been creeping into the general population since the end of the second world war, or Stalin's era.
The group I've trained with practice techniques and/or principles precisely and repetitively over, and freaking over again, and freaking over again, so when you need it, and are overcome with fear or stress, you don't have to think about it, your body just does it.
I have noticed, nonetheless, that 'westerners' don't really have a passion for tedious, repetitive drills. I might be wrong, but that's only my observation. At the places I've trained before, the Russians quickly developed into monsters, while 'westerners' that have been at the same tasks for years and years, just either didn't excel, or didn't get it.
The Russians come already with that disciplined regimented work ethic, willing to endure the most banal, repetitive tasks, which seems ingrained in their culture, while very few 'westerners' have that same passion for mundane, tedious repetition.
lol i dont think thats what Ra meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony_toffolo
Awesome videos, thanks for the post and I don't know about the comparisons I don't know enough about Russian wrestlers but I completely agree on what he is saying about American wrestlers lacking technique and knowledge of the sport as a whole.
The other dynamic is that the athletes are given housing, food, and a salary to do their respective sport. So they have a better opportunity to focus solely on their job because the government takes care of the rest. Not saying its the best life but maybe some of that stress is taken away.
My background is not in martial arts, but in rowing. You see exactly what hes saying, but its much more obvious. Its vastly simplified because there is only one movement. It proves his point completely. The cool thing about rowing is that what your trying to hang on to is water.
Theres were crews who trained exactly as he described. They thrashed and thrashed and thrashed and if they were slow, they lifted more weights, did more sprints. Because they were trying to hold onto water, their bad technique let them down. In terms of efficiency, most of what they did was wasted. Its like having a worn out clutch in your car. Your revving the guts out of your engine and your going nowhere.
I was trained by a coach who was all about technique. Efficiency of motion was everything. It wasnt about thrashing your body harder and harder, it was about making sure every calorie burned equated to forward motion. Ultimately what that meant is that if we were just as hard, and just as fit as the other crew, we went twice as fast.
The fact that your hauling with every ounce of strength in your body on water, makes it a great analogy for any technique in martial arts.
Inefficiency in motion (bad technique) is energy (force/speed) that could otherwise have been harnessed in the execution of the technique.
The key is to drill the motion endlessly, and never ever go fast enough or apply so more force that your technique becomes ragged. Never ever drill bad technique for the sake of increased strenght/fitness/conditioning. Slowly build the speed of each repetition untill the firsts signs ragged technique and then slow right down and start the build again. This is how you train the subconscious to do it perfectly without thought. The subconscious will learn a movement how you actually do it, not how you know to do it, which is why its so important never to train just for the sake of getting tired.
If you throw a ball to me, slow and straight and I have plenty of time to think about it, I will fumble it every time. Throw it as hard at my head without any warning and I will catch it one handed every time like something out of a Kung Fu movie.
Conscious thought = slow
Subconscious = fast
thats the way I am, not really amazingly conditioned at ALL. I'm just 100% technique.
I'm 5'11 160 pounds right now...basically Shinya Aoki size. But I'm used to going at it with Wreslters in submission grappling, not many other jiu jitsu guys besides a few. I'm the guy who pulls guard and just lays on my back not expelling any energy at all, just going with the flow.
anyways, I got into a match with a solid wrestler, big guy, about 240 or so...not really fat. But anyways, I pulled guard and just chilled and the guy, for some reason stacked on me and just kept sliding me across the floor for about one minute, and then when he stopped I caught him straight up with a gogoplata. The guy wasn't doing anything, he is a wrestler using wrestler mentality just working, working, working trying to open something up. Fact is the guy didn't really know how to pass guard cause wrestlers don't work anything in BJJ positions.
If you were trying to say your 2 cents worth u were meant to write $0.02 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruce.Porcelli
Every video of Ken has him compared to Ben Stiller. Poor guy. I agree that technique is the most important thing (I don't see how anyone could disagree) however, IMO I don't think you need to do reps to be able to put them into action. I believe that if you have a complete understanding of a move, combined with being coordinated, you don't need reps. Now I've only been training for a year (if you count a few times a month training) I can say with experience that 99% of everything I learn, I can do in a real situation immediately following. The key is to train your body to be coordinated so that anything your mind knows, your body will follow. This is all just my opinion of course. This is what works for me.
Oh boyQuote:
Originally Posted by JusLove
You can master techniques without repping them??? o.OQuote:
Originally Posted by JusLove
Well, the Russians, who are masters of technique (as implied in the vid) believe in A L O T of reps. You say you can do things in a real situation.....which I say, BS. Unless you mean you can tap untrained folks, which I think, is not the point here. I dont like to do alot of boring reps, but fact is, you are not going to perform underpressure without drilling, alot. At least not consistently, and smoothly.Quote:
Originally Posted by JusLove
its not possible to master a technique without repping it in hard sparring because knowing what a technique looks like is not the same as developing an understanding of what the technique is supposed to feel like when it's performed correctly.
I actually follow this guy on Facebook and he had a post asking people's opinions on 10th Planet today. Interesting stuff. I love the common misconception that you have to be gumby to do anything 10th Planet.
Another thing is that Russian Wrestling has no school affiliation. I was born in the Dagestan Republic which was home to some of the most dominant wrestling clubs in all of Russia. Russian wrestlers who are five years old practice in the same room as Olympic medalists. Constant exposure to that kind of high level wrestling from a young age, helps the Russians continue to breed fierce international competitors.
Mike has great point, steel sharpens steel right? Also you have to pay attention to the style. In the U.S. we wrestle folkstyle for the most part and switch to freestyle or greco. In other parts of the world they dont wrestle folkstyle at all, just freestyle or greco. Its a whole different style of wrestling, if the olympics wrestled folkstyle our team would win every year. Think of it like gi vs. no-gi, some guys can switch easy and some can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misha Solomonik
I grew up wrestling and our moto was "Hard and Fast". I know now that wrestling does not have to be as aggressive as it is 99% of the time. It is a concept I am trying my best to learn, but it is very hard to break the habit of going for a position as hard as you can. I like the idea of relaxing, it's just hard to forget the old philosophy of driving through things as hard as possible. I am definitely trying to learn though. I will never be one of those wrestlers that says they can't relax or be calm. I am slowly but surely getting better with a great teacher and great rolling partners.
Thank you, Eddie, for the video. :)
Sambo is made up of all the best martial arts maybe they are just sneaking sambo guys in there to win and would know the best aspects of folkstyle wrestling and would win that also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Yockel
Nice post! Wise words :)
Training under a sambo guy I can tell you the takedowns for sambo/freestyle/folkstyle are the same. its the mat work that makes it different. Folkstyle is all about riding a guy with no time limit as long as the top guy is active. Freestyle is very different, you get a very short amount of time to get points, plus you have to rotate the guys shoulders across the mat and maintain control to score points. Also in fresstyle its ok to lock your hands when your trying to maintain control, in folkstyle that will cost you a point each time you lock your hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by sly
Yeah, there's something about Russian culture that seems to me to go back beyond recorded history. They just have this ability to put their heads down and work HARD. I imagine at least some of that has to come from eons of scraping a living from one of the harshest places on the planet. If your ancestors going back countless generations had to survive by doing hand-to-hand combat to the death with Mother Nature on a near-daily basis, wrestling probably feels right at home. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian "ifreez" Freemantle
why don't they just make it simple and have no gi submmission in the Olympics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Yockel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRb76QhpxS4
these are 2 of the best guys to every come out of russia
Not really. Lots of places, its alot easier to live day to day (tropical coast for example) compared to a subartic tundra, where life is cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Cook