as title reads....
so should I start with lockdown, rubber guard, twister, spider web, etc etc?
thanks, josh
ps. flexibility is ok, I can get to mission control, but not flexible enough to use the gogo plata without pain in my thigh
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as title reads....
so should I start with lockdown, rubber guard, twister, spider web, etc etc?
thanks, josh
ps. flexibility is ok, I can get to mission control, but not flexible enough to use the gogo plata without pain in my thigh
Shrimp, shrimp, and shrimp some more. Also t-rex'ing and never stop working on flexibility. And the warmups Eddie posted. Spend the 5 bucks a month to get the MTS subscription so know exactly what's going on in the warmups.
Other than that just have fun. Just like with most things in life, when it comes to Jiu jitsu, 10P or not, you will only get out what you are willing to put in. Welcome to the 10thplanet family!
Lockdown is a great place to start, quality reps of the whip up. Get to know Oldschool, Electric chair, Plan B , Dogfight.
Also the basic rubberguard path, mission control, zombie, Newyork, chilldog, Kung-fu move, Jiu claw to the DA.
That's the stuff I started with anyways.
I see you are from Melbourne, have you visited Frank yet? He will put you on the right path, hopefully I will see you at 10th Planet Melbourne sometime!
great answer. stick to the basics first. the shrimp and its basic hip motion principals are everywhere in grappling, master it first for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Clark
IMO quarter guard and the side control path on the latest MTS
In my opinion u should always start on your back if u can. It's easier to get a good top game than it is to get a good bottom game
This should be a good thread...
Shrimp for sure...front rolls back rolls...butterfly stretches...oh and show up to class
new to 10th planet or jiujitsu? either way should go to a physical location to learn if there is anyway possible to do that.
Well right now I'm only 15 1/2 so when I'm out of school and have a lot more time to do jitz (with Frank Barca's school in Melbourne), I will be able to be committed without many problems in the way but that's still at leat 2.5 years away :(
For now I practice with my buddies on weekends for as long as possible so we can drill the techniques in this system.
I've actually known about bjj and 10pjj sine i was 12 (2010), but never really got into it like i have in the last couple of months, so i was familiar with the names of positions in the RG and twister systems, but handnt applied anything, i had heard joe rogan mention stuff in the ufc, so i watched videos on youtube where eddie taught i think dean lister rubber guard techniques. so i'm not right out of the box new, but a white belt with 1 training
anyway with MTS and i have the books on the (MRG and MTT), i hope to be strong in at least a couple of techniques (breaking posture/keeping broken posture, triangles, old school, and other basics) before starting at the 10p Melbourne moon.
thanks for the replies guys, and i guess i will start with lockdown techniques
chad thanks for the welcome!
but 1 question - what does shrimp mean, is that an exercise (like t-rexing)?
this might make me sound like an idiot but I have no idea what that means
Shrimp Drill is one of those fundamental positioning movements and drilling exercise that is key to helping you escape when your opponent is in a control position. However, because shrimping is so basic, people tend to take it for granted and never take the time necessary to practice it the right way. Let’s make this real simple… If you’re constantly getting your butt handed to you, and can never escape or set up submissions when your opponent is on top of you, then you my friend need to spend more time shrimping when you’re on the mat.
well if someone has side control on me or mount, does shrimp escape mean something like hip escape - eg. if they had mount, I would t-rex and throw my right leg over their right leg/shin and then slide back to get to qtr guard - would that be shrimping?Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Kadek
like is shrimping just a term for escaping back to guard?
Heres a link about shrimping Josh
http://www.10thplanetwatch.com/2010/...by-keith-owen/
ok cool thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jem Havok
when I rolled in the past, I would hip escape to half guard from the mount, but this looks good too. what would you say works better because in the video, it looks like you could take his back or get him in spider web?
the warm-up series are where you can find all the basics in 10th planet.
from the forum page you can click the very top post "Sticky: 10pHQ Warm Ups"
http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...10pHQ-Warm-Ups
or you can click the second post "Sticky: MTS Technique Guide" and click "warm-ups"
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...dXYtUnc&gid=10
and if you dont already; run outdoors, lift weights and wrestle.
ok cool thanks, and that list of all of 10p stuff is just what I needed to sort out all of the info in MTSQuote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
Welcome to the forums mate and good luck with the training. Like the others said, check out the warm-up series' and read the stickied threads here, things like the lockdown flowchart are awesome.
warm ups all the way. and according to eddie. triangles are a good start :D its a pretty debated thing i think but imo learn a few techniques really well. get a submission and make it your own until you kill everyone with it. having that base where you have something to fall back on if all else fails, really helps keep ur confidence up and i think allows you to advance quicker. though training with frank, youll have ur hands full.
theres also josh and the people out at sunshine if thats closer to you. also top quality training there. :)
welcome to the forum man.
Lockdown halfguard game is my suggestion, for sure. That's where Eddie started getting heavily offensive and that's where probably 65% of my sweeps are from. The guys that I've been receiving my instruction from (shout out to the Woolsey's Ft Lauderdale Hotbox) are also big on lockdown. My thought, and let me just emphasize that I'm only about 10 months into this deal, is that if you get someone, one or two weight classes bigger than you through people your size and smaller, into your half guard (especially if they're unfamiliar with lockdown defense) they're going to end up swept............ Also, I highly suggest you seek face-to-face instruction from a legit 10th Planet Hotbox or Moon. There's just somethings you may have questions about or that you're doing wrong that only someone knowledgeable about this stuff can help you correct. My game has really taken off since finding some 10th Planet guys.
Sounds like you're getting some good advice already, so I'll just say WELCOME!
Whatever you do, don't do rubber guard. It's for chumps, full guard is better.
yeah I looked into both gyms' location, and franks moon is WAAAYY closer to me so that's where i'll end up training most likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaac Atley
the first top game thing I want to learn is the spider-web because it has a lot of transitions to it, most importantly from the guard, and its easy to arm crush and douchebag people. I do like the rear naked choke but unless im rolling with a friend who doesn't know anything at all, its difficult to get anyone's back, but normally the armbar/spider web is right there.
but firstly I want to at least develop a little bit of bottom game because if im rolling with a friend I know has studied 10p with me, is that I will be to cautious of sweeps and emding up on the bottom, but if im confident with my bottom game, then I have no fear so to speak when im on top.
thanks for the help buddy, appreciate it :)
ok cool thanks, I have a friend who (by ufc weight classes) is 2 weight classes above, flyweight vs lightweight, but normally I get smashed becuas ehis that much bigger than me and has his weight to use as control. if im drilling stuff its good though because its sort of an over compensation, like if I were breaking him down for RG, I would have to develop my squeeze to break his posture a lot further compared to if I was breaking someone down my own weight, so things like that can be useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross Davidson
10th planet Melbourne is where I will train in the future, frank and the students their do well in comp's, and 10p is a great system, and his gym is closer to me than josh's so franks' gym is where i'll train.
thanks for the advice Ross
No offense: but hear me out. Not all training is positive. Rolling with your buddies outside a school (with no formal training) can build bad habits. Right now very early in your career is a super important time. Your developing your fundamentals developing instincts , learning basics of base balance mat awareness. no offense to your buddies but rolling with them will probably hold you back more than help you progress. really should either just rep and drill at home, or do nothing at all. Rolling with people with no instruction will give false feedback.. You can end up develop your go-to submissions and go-to escapes, just to go to class and realize those aren't even real moves that really work. I'm only telling you this because I've seen it happen too many times.
1. Get MTS
2. Don't take big bites. If you and your buddies are serious pick a move or two and do them for a couple weeks. After you've moved on, revisit them and/or add them to your warmups.
3. If you're going to get on youtube, look up BASIC techniques.
4. If you're looking to build a good BJJ base from home I'd also recommend getting the Gracie Combatives dvds or videos or find someone who has them. They'll do you some good since you're starting from scratch.
^great advice from these two^
i was doing some "research" and it seems that schools in Australia dont have wrestling programs? Fuckin bummer!
yeah unfortuantley wrestling is NOT big here at all.
well unitl I can go into a school and train with an official 10p coach, I just want to develop basic basics of shit. insteadof playing major rubber guard, i'd just learn/develop the skill of breaking their posture and holding it down, and not learning how to get to jiu claw and double bag and all the other advanced RG stuff.
yeah man, the thing is that true basics IMO are more like breath control, balance, physical conditioning, and a special type of spatial and body awareness that's not really the same as what you develop from striking.
physical conditioning is maybe a weird one but I just mean your whole body goes trough a toughening that is specific to grappling. Neck gets thicker, (ears too:)) entire rib cage/diaphragm gets stronger ect.
You're going to want to have hip flexibility for rubber guard.
Started with the half guard stuff and that was nice for me.
Graice combative are a good idea like Dylan Ehrnreiter said, basic, trad BJJ with self defense slant.
Im guessing you dont have judo around either? Maybe you're already a beast but if you lift weights at your age you can change your body forever and be more resistant to injures. Plus its doesnt hurt with the ladies.
1)Stretch, stretch, stretch, and then stretch some moreQuote:
Originally Posted by joshfromaus
2)master the warm-ups until they are muscle memory. i've included the free new york drill in our daily warm ups and Eddie loved it. Shrimping drills are also included!!
3)warmups will be the base of your foundation. in addition, i would research the rubber guard basic path and and master it until it is muscle memory. having all of these techniques committed to muscle memory is an excellent foundation from which you can continue to build on.
4)go to class!! this is part of your practical application time. ensure you physically take notes and write down as much as the technique as possible. if you are new, it can be overwhelming and writing down the techniques will help you remember the details.
5)Drill, drill, drill, and then drill some more. Yeah, it can get boring, but if it does, have your training partner pick up the resistance gradually. This is where you master the technique, identify any shortcomings on how you are executing the technique, and commit it to muscle memory.
6)Roll!! Roll as often as possible and with as many opponents as possible. Everybody has their own style and getting different looks will only make you better. Don't get frustrated by getting tapped. That's how you learn!
7)Compete as often as possible. This is your test. If you bring home the gold, great! If not, learn from it. Either way, study video of your competition and of your team mates and have an "after action review". There is always room for improvement. Learn from both the positive things that were executed and the negative.
Hope this helps. Just so happens, Eddie was in town for a seminar this last weekend and I went down this list with him of how I have been operating our gym and he loved it. Additionally, watch MTS. It's only $5 US a month with tons of instructional video. Can't beat it. Let me know if you have any questions.
Watch and use the HQ warm up videos I was pleased how well they correlated to what we are doing in class
it sounds like josh and his friends are having a high level version of rough housing. which in my opinion can be beneficial, for example knowing how to balance your body, developing spatial awareness, knowing your physical limitations.... i'd say that's better than doing nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottRay
josh, one of the most fundamental ideas behind bjj is: position before submission. so if i were you, before working rubber guard stuff, try working on getting better positions. start off on your back and try to work your way to mount or side mount. then work on guard passes. start off in a weaker position intentionally. it will help you out in the long run.
having said that, i think the lockdown is a good place to start. i started with the lockdown in order to learn half guard sweeps. then i moved onto guard sweeps, and escaping mounts. i tend to drill the same few things in class until i confidently catch guys in class with it at will.
Been liking the input on this thread helping me formulate a plan to continue/begin to progress. I'm coming to realize that class time as good as it is, isn't enough. May sound crazy but I spent 45 min last night just going through the 1st 3 tech. Of the 1st warm up video