I'm starting to incorporate knee on belly into my game, and I'm trying to think of fights where I've seen it utilized but can't seem to think of any although I'm sure it's been done several times. Is it just not as effective in mma as it is in bjj?
Printable View
I'm starting to incorporate knee on belly into my game, and I'm trying to think of fights where I've seen it utilized but can't seem to think of any although I'm sure it's been done several times. Is it just not as effective in mma as it is in bjj?
Good question. I love knee on belly.
I think it should be utilized much more. When we play on the ground with punches it's one of the best positions from which to do damage. I think maybe people are concerned with allowing that much space, which is a viable concern if you don't have a killer knee-on-belly. In any case, you gotta use the position to surf instead of trying to hold the guy in place.
yes, good question. If you are a striker and a wrestler, this is what I would focus on for a top game. Take down and pass at same time, don't hang in side control and wait to get put into gaurd. Go KOB, rain some punches and just stand up if the water gets to deep. Takes some reps to control with KOB while raining punches, but I can't really see much negative if you just want to stand anyway.
good question, it seems like it takes a certain amount of time before moves go mainstream in MMA, why is this not one of them? Usually after someone proves the effectiveness of a technique with dramatic results, people add it to their game quickly (like Anderson's front kick on Vitor).
I have been wondering this for a long time. Kob Is my go to from side control and should be used much more in mma especially if your opponet is against the cage. Its a great way to set up darces and ninja chokes
Really good question. Seems like you see it at the very end of the fight. Example, cain vs brock. Watch it again and youll see cain go to kob at the very end as he is punching the crap out of brock
maybe the guys fighting dont use it in training. i would cause im a big knee to belly playa
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
Fuck really? I use it every single day I roll, all week long. Its money for many set ups for me, side control recoveries. I think lots of guys lose confidence in it way before they should, as it takes many hours of ride time to get good at it. Sensitivity, balance core strength, etc. are under developed. Its a shame as I hate it when someones doing that shit to me, it pisses me off its that good. Thats why I do it. I'm loving knee belly. get on it!
im not a purple brown or black that has all these master KOB skills like it seems everyone posting above does but im just getting into it and im really liking it. i think working on those components that frank was talking about with KOB is great because it translates into the rest of your game as well. if you can flow with what they do and stay in KOB then being able to contrl them aswell in normal side etc is simple in comparison
Ben Askren uses it quite often in MMA, more from open guard to pass put pressure on the sternum, usually sets up a cross knee pass.
Being a small guy, knee belly is a must have. Look at all the guys who don't use it in their game, and who are small too, and you see how limited they are in the 'control against bigger guys' department. Holding a guy in head and arm who is powerful isn't easy, especially if he is big strong and scrambly. Its a great control point and it always makes them move if they play the tight
'T rex' from side C bottom game. If they don't move, I dig it in deeper and deeper until they move giving me my option to attack.
KOB also opens up the back too especially against big guys as they really power out of the KOB cos its a pain in the ass, which ultimately opens many attack options. Jeff Glover has awesome attacks with Triangles from KOB. Check them out.
Finally, KOB has many faces and angles. IF I have head and arm, sometimes I creep my shin alone on top of the ribs like I'm thinking about mounting and use it to block the right hip but still giving me both my arms to attack with. One of my favourite mount recoveries is to use my right shin like a wiper and dismount with it instead of being put into 1/4 guard. Take for example the warm drill number 3 in the "D" series. Especially from mount, putting someone in 1/4 guard is crucial, and we know it, so KOB players can swing their right shin using the kneecap as a compass pin keeping it dug in, and use the ankle and foot as the pencil being flexible and adaptable with it.
KOB is a system in itself is probably what I am painfully trying to explain. Its worth it for me, and if you are courageous enough to put the reps in, you'll be wrapped with the results.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FRANK BARCA
+1 Love transitioning from KOB to mount and back on big guys
+1 for the detailed explanationQuote:
Originally Posted by FRANK BARCA
Thanks Frank, for that post. I will start working KOB as soon as I get back to training. I am a smaller guy thank most in our club.
Stability ball training like Jeff Glover utilises is vital for kob development. Totally agree with frank for smaller ppl, developing kob game is a must.
Glad you got something out of it.
What can I say, I'm a tech head.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Bergdorf