Crazy horse Bennett Back Stage fight against Jiu Jitsu coach

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrBzgFCy5c

you can fast forward to 1:12, that is where the action begins



has anyone ever heard anything to substantiate the rumor about Crazy Horse KO'ing Wanderlei backstage?

HOLY SHIT! THATS EPIC! anyone know Portuguese and can tell me what they were saying? or why this fight escalated? PS. i think its badass that they left it be a fair 1vs1 without anyone jumping in.

oh ya. this is a classic.

there are a bunch of stories going back and forth where bennett claimed he KO'd wand after this and chute box claims he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

if it is real and not b.s. this is the best real world jiu jitz example i have witnessed.

Oh Krazy horse...

Christiano marcello is a straight G

I thought of this argument after I watched this video:

MMA is not always indicative of the effectiveness of BJJ in a streetfight, b/c in MMA, there is often a reluctance to go to the ground (especially if it is known that your opponent has a nasty guard). Is it different in street fights (where the Gracies always said 4/5 fights go to the ground-which I am admit might not backed my the most sophisticated statistical data). Regardless, in a street fight, you don't know if your opponents knows bjj (unless you know him personally). And, more likely than not, in a street fight situation, your opponent does not know your game or tendencies. For the average Joe, strangers that might attack him don't know he has a ground game.

It also seems like with street fights, untrained opponents are more off balance and the fight is more likely to go to the ground. You certainly don't want to plan on fighting slouches, but, at the same time, in terms of self-defense I think it is good to consider what it would be like to fight an untrained opponent.

I have noticed that when I go to the beginner class at HQ. If I am going against a big/strong beginner, or maybe someone who fights MMA but doesn't nerd out on Jitz, they do not make some of the reactions I expect experienced bjj guys to make. It makes me realize that a certain % of my game is tailored to an opponent who knows the proper responses. For example, I hardly ever look to take the back when I get perfect double underhooks b/c I rarely get somebody who doesn't know to whizzer.

Now, I am not saying this will change the way I train, the only thing I have considered is making a beginner class every few months just to get a different look. I don't have to really go out of my way to do this, usually, every few months my schedule will dictate this for me.

But, it is something to consider. I originally got into bjj b/c I was worried about street fights.

that video was BA

I live with Jonathan Brookins right now and he mentioned the other day how he lived with Krazy Horse before he did TUF. I have been picking his brain for stories about that guy. So far all he has verified is that he is a very odd person.

I remember krazy horse hit K J Noons with a haymaker and it was lights out. They said his style is so "krazy" that it's hard to prepare for the fight.

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Originally Posted by VIVIANO

I thought of this argument after I watched this video:

MMA is not always indicative of the effectiveness of BJJ in a streetfight, b/c in MMA, there is often a reluctance to go to the ground (especially if it is known that your opponent has a nasty guard). Is it different in street fights (where the Gracies always said 4/5 fights go to the ground-which I am admit might not backed my the most sophisticated statistical data). Regardless, in a street fight, you don't know if your opponents knows bjj (unless you know him personally). And, more likely than not, in a street fight situation, your opponent does not know your game or tendencies. For the average Joe, strangers that might attack him don't know he has a ground game.

It also seems like with street fights, untrained opponents are more off balance and the fight is more likely to go to the ground. You certainly don't want to plan on fighting slouches, but, at the same time, in terms of self-defense I think it is good to consider what it would be like to fight an untrained opponent.

I have noticed that when I go to the beginner class at HQ. If I am going against a big/strong beginner, or maybe someone who fights MMA but doesn't nerd out on Jitz, they do not make some of the reactions I expect experienced bjj guys to make. It makes me realize that a certain % of my game is tailored to an opponent who knows the proper responses. For example, I hardly ever look to take the back when I get perfect double underhooks b/c I rarely get somebody who doesn't know to whizzer.

Now, I am not saying this will change the way I train, the only thing I have considered is making a beginner class every few months just to get a different look. I don't have to really go out of my way to do this, usually, every few months my schedule will dictate this for me.

But, it is something to consider. I originally got into bjj b/c I was worried about street fights.

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You have a very legitimate point. Most of the time when I roll, I don't even go for certain moves because I know that the guys I role with all know it and the counters. We train ourselves to look several moves down the line, when against an untrained person, the first move will generally end the fight.

Krazy Horse is amazing haha but he is now in jail. There was a thread on Sherdog about it, one of the posters is an officer at the prison lol

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Krazy has always been so full of antics... in and out of the ring... I remember him doing things like wwf wrestling moves off the ropes of the ring and the ref and everyone having the 'wait is that allowed' look on their faces but then the fight keep going... Or in pride when he won, the asian ring girl was trying to hand him the trophy, and he kept reaching past it and trying to hug her pull her in to his hips over and over..... I remember me and some mmatv guys looked up his court rap sheet, tons of charges of crack/cocain, domestic charges, etc... What a wild guy

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It makes me realize that a certain % of my game is tailored to an opponent who knows the proper responses.

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For sure. You are totally on point with that entire post. Streetfighters and Noobs aren't looking to T-Rex or lockdown, they are spazmatic and fight in a frenzy for the most part. Like Matt Young said "We train ourselves to look several moves down the line, when against an untrained person, the first move will generally end the fight."

When I started up with Jitz I encouraged a friend of mine to get into it too. He joined and trained for a few months, but he quit after a while. We got together last weekend and he wanted to Roll a little at my house. He is strong for sure, but it was always just a matter of time before Postion led to Submission. When we were both new, I remember not being able to end a match with him.
Now that I have an extra year of training over where he left off, it is a non-issue. He didn't respond "properly" like our trainnig partners do, but he left a lot of openings and back attacks on a silver platter. Non-Jiu Jitsu people are in a different class completely.

Normally I hate watching street fight videos (the negativity involved puts me in a bad mood), but seeing jiujitsu safely used was pretty cool.