http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-12...yd-irvin-cult/
hahaha fuck you Lloyd and all the dumb little pussies that were still down with you even after all the news :)
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http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-12...yd-irvin-cult/
hahaha fuck you Lloyd and all the dumb little pussies that were still down with you even after all the news :)
Man... talk about the fall of an empire.
Scumbag
You spend a lot of your time on the forum hating this guy Sam. That passion could be aimed toward a more positive objective.
Oh fuck off Bobby. If mentioning Lloyd once 2 months ago then the time before was 6 weeks before that is 'a lot of time on the forum hating on the guy' you need to get a fucking grip.
The reason people like me go on about it is because there are so many weak minded pussies out there still kissing Lloyds ass and letting him run kids programs and shit. If going on about it ('hating' as you call it) helps even a tiny bit toward stopping Lloyd, DJ Jackson and company from teaching children isn't a good fucking cause I don't know what is!!!!
when all is said and done the hate towards Lloyd is warranted. Some people may not even be aware of the situation (new guys to the sport). So all the while the team exists there will be people about to make sure people are reminded of the stuff that has gone on.
Don't try to make out like all I ever do is hate on Lloyd on here is all I am saying. Of course if the opportunity arises I take it to talk some shit on him. It literally blows my mind the guy is still in business. :)
i agree with Sam
irving needs sorting quick
Read this yesterday. Not sure how much good this can do. Those who follow his cult at this point is going to stay in his cult. We have enough info for us to determine he's a bad person. Those who wanted out ended up leaving. Those who wanted to stay, stayed. I'm not sure about the legalities behind a potential competition ban, but since he seems to be sue happy, I could imagine that if any tourney were to ban him or his team, he'd likely sue.
I agree that a ban would be a good idea, but why would they ban him? For "alleged" crimes which he and his students were acquitted. The one person who was convicted "paid his dues to society." That could be seen as discrimination not letting them compete. Could IBJJF win the suit based on the fact that business can refuse service to whomever they want? Sure. Do they even want to go to court? Doubt it.
So, unfortunately these guys will be around as long as this guy is able to manipulate new and old converts to his cult. The worse that can happen is they're hated by the community....and that's pretty much the case already. And Lloyd, being a master manipulator will just spin it into some martyrdom complex and label the world as haters. It's a lose lose situation for everyone.
The importance of the article is that it's target audience is OUTSIDE of the grappling community. I hope that every parent that is looking to sign up their kid, every potential fighter looking for a gym and every potential sponsor sees this article. The jiu jitsu community is good at self-regulating to a degree. This article helps get the word out to those not already in the "loop".Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
I doubt he could sue the IBJJF and win because it's a private organization. They really can do whatever they want. I know promoters that have had backlash against them for using TLI teammembers in their superfights. Brands are backing away from sponsoring the remaining TLI people. So articles like this help cut off his income sources. Lloyd doesn't care about personal attacks I don't think. I mean the guy has murals of himself painted in his basement. He does care if people mess with his money. The days of his big consulting checks will be dying out. It's bad business to be associated with him. Just my two cents.
Ah you know, I never even bothered to check the source. I just assumed it was a jiu jitsu publication. Damn. Well then, this is great for the general public to be aware of.
I also doubt he can win a suit. Doesn't mean he can't file one. Doesn't mean the IBJJF wants to deal with one.
But since our community IS good at self regulating, I agree with you. He can't run from that million dollar IRS problem. And his current money is gonna keep drying up as time goes on.
To each his own. He has been outed. His demise is imminent and rightfully so. Trust me. If you search LI on this forum, there will be more than a few threads slash rants via you. I've never had an issue with you before, except for this, which was only mild curiosity at your view point. To you're credit you seem to have a valid platform for doing so, and others who gravitate toward such topics do as well. That's all good.
Meanwhile J Lbarge, J Mallory, and Mike Nall only contribute positivity. Others contribute on their own accomplishments via 10p. Rarely see you post on those, but mention LI and you've got 10 posts. I can see you get defensive easily, but I wasn't attacking you. It just seems like the TMZ of jj. I don't subscribe to that. Personal differences and sorry if I offended.
But, I believe if we met on the mats, you would 'fuck off' :) Which is the overall purpose of the system and forum. I don't want a war here and apologize for highjacking your thread. I meant nor took any offense.
The color of your belt and your skill level on the mats is completely irrelevant to this. I don't give a shit, If you say dumb shit, expect to get picked up on it. Like I said, I have mentioned Lloyds name in just 2 posts in nearly 4 months so you are talking shit Bobby. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
I'm all for child molester signs in front yard and outing LI on the internet!
Maybe I am. I never mentioned belts or skill. Simply pointing out the fact that telling someone to fuckoff might involve them. Was generally curious through observation. If you have a crusade to fight, by all means. I'll be training.
The only difference between LI and a surprisingly large amount of schools was his success. If he wasn't dominating it would be a substory forgotten quickly. Everybody knows now. All I'm saying..
My apologies Sam.
how about we all just chill out and enjoy the quality pun that is Lloyd Pervin
I was riding the TLI bandwagon right before everything started blowing up just like everyone else, but it doesn't matter if it was a successful school or not, this shouldn't be swept under the rug and forgotten.
It will always be the biggest fuckup in jj. But yeah its the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr
http://m.wimp.com/alwaysnow/
:) I love the pun. I started calling him Floyd Pervin in refusal of mentioning his name, not as a pun, it happened to be good-n-funny! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo
For what? Your observation mirrored mine. Should I be sorry too? I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
Sam has been emotionally invested in the LI Saga since it broke. The threads show it.
I am happy his association has suffered and he should be in jail. That's all I got.
Because it was ignored by the jiu jitsu community for so long. He was still sitting pretty running an academy and spamming his crappy products like nothing had happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
Am I supposed to be sorry about caring for the welfare of children? Especially in a run down area like Maryland where it's easy for a guy like Lloyd to take advantage.
Or should I just bury my head in the sand or spend every single day talking about nutritional cleansing or Herbalife or some other crap instead? ;)
Whatever. Not apologizing for being passionate about this. Fuck me, if the protection of children isn't something to be passionate about I don't know what is.
Hope we are still cool Bobby. My apologies too. Can be a hotheaded SoB at times. :)
e2a - sorry, I am just loving this moment. Until a few days ago only 1 mma media member (Brent Brookhouse) had reported on it. Now this Rossen dude done this huge story. Also Luke Thomas and others have been talking about it on twitter and retweeting the story etc. Its FINALLY happening. The end is near. Lloyd won't be able to exploit or make money in the martial arts community much longer. Hopefully his academy will close soon so he wont be around kids. Then hopefully DJ Jackson has to go back home and answer to the sex offence crimes he is guilty of too. :)
e2a2 - yes Scott Ray deserves the credit for the Lloyd Pervin thing haha :)
Yes, we are cool.
Now you fuck off. Kurz actually turned his life around and wants to help others do the same. It is people he knows personally and he will actually get in contact with them and help them do it. America is fat and it a n epidemic, so his cause has nobility as well. Not my style, but again, to each his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Sales
Will you actually go picket LI? Oh, too far? Too expensive? Inconvenient? But, the children!
If you think jj has ignored LI since this has been outed you know shit about jj. Then how did you find out about it? Personal source? Doubt it. The criminal justice system is the failure here, the media ran with the story just like they do every scandal. Its not that I don't agree with you, its how you present your arguments and threads on LI. Truth is all we get is second hand info. The people who were there know and are speaking out. There is an orgy of evidence that confirms he is a self delusioned, megalomaniacal predator. This is typical Oj/Trayvon/Paula Dean. The shit happens everyday, everywhere, but this is the one that matters for some reason. Like I said if you have a crusade to fight, this one worth you're time. But all you've done is post and rant, then attacked anyone who questioned you. We can disagree here without slinging shit.
You're responses to questions is why I asked the question. Told me a lot.
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Originally Posted by bobby rivers
yeah I admit, that comment was below the belt Kurzy regarding the nutritional cleansing thing. Apologies. My opinion and post beyond that I am not sorry for though.
If it wasn't for people like Georgette Oden and a few others (Ryan Hall, Brent Brookhouse) I think people would still not know. Especially newbies. Just my opinion.
Like I said earlier if 2 posts in 4 months is 'spending all my time on here hating on Lloyd' then so be it. I better not mention Rampage (I dislike him) 3 times in 4 months or you 2 will think I am on another hate crusade! :)
Commencing off fucking. Engage.
Especially Lloyd Pervin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
Here's the cover for the article. It's getting national syndication.
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The only thing I have to say about this topic: We should continue talking about it so that people in our community will not forget. We don't want the evil empire to rise again.
lol zog ftw again.
Sam, I don't have any beef with you, but the passion you put into the anti-LI posts is so vehement that I was starting to wonder if he had taken advantage of you at one point. Just'sayin.
Bobby, you're solid. I hope to meet you one day. Much respect, Oss.
#yourefuckingrightjiujitsusavedmylifeandiloveandpr omotenutritionalcleansingtoo
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Originally Posted by Kurzy
Respect
The fact that you don't seem to think the dismantling of team Lloyd Irvin is something to be passionate about say's alot more about you than me. Just'sayin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
Why does me being passionate about ending the career of a known predator and his team which also includes sex offenders seem to offend you so much (that's rhetorical, I don't care).
Either way, not arguing with you online Kurzy. Its pointless. Have a great weekend. :)