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Story here: http://www.bjjee.com/articles/ibjjf-...affickers-etc/
Full length writeup and supporting research here:
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=122202
Also discusses how they extort signup fees, rig matches with extreme favortism of the teams related to the owners, and other things...
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma....2183601&page=1
The authors original article describing the history and foundation of the IBJJF...
All worth reading.
Hang on, I thought BJJ was fixed to favour Brizilians... now it was the US fixing things all the time?
Its always the democratic American agenda behind world issues.
More importantly, what does Rose Gracie think? I want to improve the No Gi Submission only landscape for competition and I am interested in knowing what Rose's philosophy is when it comes to modelling her business compared to IBJJF. Not the rules, but the business agenda itself. This year has been eye opening for me as far as being exposed to the uglier side of the Martial Arts Business. I mean just the whole lloyd pervin thing was fucked. I want to know how 10th Planet and The Nogi Worlds, for example, move forward without becoming part of a bullshido attack. I feel like we sway towards the fairer and less egotistical side of BJJ. Thats part of what I love about our system. I hope competitions like Roses and schools like 10th Planets, benefit from the shift in fairness both in business and sport. I am spooked by IBJJF. I would rather win medals and represent respectable organizations. What are those organizations?
WHOA.
I actually read all of that. I hope it busts up the IBJJF and helps begin the establishment of a legitimate federation and internationally recognized governing body.
As soon as there is a governing body and $ there will be corruption. Believe that. I don't think it has to do with america or democracy (both corrupt). Unfortunately I believe it is in our nature. This doesn't surprise me. Someone, somewhere is gonna pull the string if they see it danglin..
There is already corruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
At least if there is an actual confederation of sorts, it will need to be corruption from multiple high ranking "officials" rather than the corruption of only the top figures within 1 organization and academy. More people involved means more opportunities for whistle blowers, too.
Was anyone really surprised it was entirely for profit. The Black Belt/Brown Belt registration things always seemed fishy, The Member cards for kids. The IBJJF in my opinion had never been a governing body for Jiu Jitsu, but it was a tournament with high registration prices and stupid redtape and rules. Having competed in the IBJJF, I don't mind the rules, I don't mind the silly bullshit, because I know what I'm getting into. I am surprised how much corruption there is, but you cant be surprised by that either. Unfortunately the best in the world still gather there for Worlds, Pans, Euros, and In order to be recognized as one of the best you have to consistently compete against the best. It's a shitty thing, but its reality. I wish Gracie Nationals, and Gracie Worlds, ISOF would burst onto the scene and attract the best and maybe even ( I use this loosely) "Poach" from the IBJJF
isof = ?Quote:
Originally Posted by john mejia
The rule set is the real scandal.
I competed in the Gi Pan ams twice Before I started 10th Planet. The second time in 2010 my coach bought me a new Gi for the tournament. I flew out to L.A. to compete and when my division was called they measured my Gi and said it didnt meet specifications that I had 20 min to get a new Gi or I would be DQ. I only had two guys on my team near me at the time one was a foot taller than me and the other was a foot shorter than me so I couldnt borrow their Gis. I ended up buying a Gi for $140. It was the only one any of the venders had in my size. After I competed I called my coach and told him what happened. He told me he would call the manufacturer and find out what the problem was because they told him it was Ibjjf approved. Later theat day I saw another one of my teammates with the exact same gi on competing. When he was done I asked him how he competed with his Gi because they wouldnt let me wear mine? He said when our coach called the manufacturer they told him they forgot to pay their sponsor ship fee but would call right away and get it taken care of. So it didnt have anything to do with my Gi not meeting specs it was all about the fkn sponsorship money. I decided then that I would never compete in an IBJJF tournament again
You know what you're getting into when you sign up though. You know being from 10th Planet you might not get your advantage, they might hose you on sweep points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
ISOF = International Submission Only Federation, eddies brand that the Midwest Submission Challenge is continually using.
That's disgusting, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Schuettenberg
ABSOLUTELY. It drives me mad to hear people complain about the rule set of a tournament they signed up for and competed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Mejia
Now as a consumer of the product, I can't stand to watch it because of the rule set. But that's a completely different issue.
Ooooh yeaah. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Mejia
Agreed its awful for the spectators. However I do enjoy when Budo Jake commentates on the WorldsQuote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
Damn son. Call me crazy, but I think people should just straight up boycott.
this is some fucked up shit
Something was bound to surface about these guys.. After doing a few of their events, I realized why some 10pjj people boycott their tournaments.
If you know a decent amount about the IBJJF, chances are you probably already know most if not all of this stuff. In fact Eddie has posted on the 10th Planet forum a number of times mentioning how Master Carlos Gracie Jr basically runs IBJJF but it is essentially run by GB. It is definitely an imperfect system with a bunch of ridiculous stuff go on (ie. did anyone ever see the notice they sent to a competitor regarding bringing water matside prior to his fight? or that rubbish about how koral purple belts were banned because they looked 'too lilac'?), but at the end of the day, they have developed into the biggest and most prestigious organization for BJJ in the world.
You don't see Gracie Barra winning the team title every year just because of their direct connection to the organization, in fact Alliance has won the last 5 world team titles. I read an article some time back about how the IBJJF is hindering BJJs chances of getting into the Olympics and its completely true. FILA would have been the only way it would've gotten in but even they have dropped submission grappling I believe so BJJ in the Olympics is all but impossible in the near future.
There are plenty of other options for people who don't like the IBJJF and they survive and thrive because the odd actions and conduct of the IBJJF is well known. There is definitely a money making racket behind the whole operation and that's why the worlds were permanently moved to the Pyramid Cali a few years ago from the legendary Tijuca Tennis Club. Also the whole certifying belts process is tedious, unprofessionally run, and costly with little of any of these profits seemingly plugged back into the sport for the athletes or future growth of BJJ. The worlds would be the true worlds if they had a qualifying process but it is a major cash grab instead. With all this said, lets not be naive. This is how it has been for quite some time and its not like there isn't corruption elsewhere. I've heard of ridiculous corruption in the Abu Dhabi Pro as well (Not ADCC, a different Sheik runs this one), and other organizations have their own issues.
I think alot of you bring up some excellent points. Personally, if you're so against it, don't compete and don't worry about it. You can be a good grappler who is recognized by others as long as you have a decent legit lineage and you don't need the IBJJF for that. The IBJJF doesn't always do things in the way most generally perceived as 'right' or 'correct' but they are the most recognized sanctioning body for bjj in the world (official or unofficial). Finally, don't believe everything you read either. I'm not Scoop McGuillicutty or anything, but their are errors in the report about the Sam Osman situation and other things as well as far as I know. When it comes to the IBJJF consumer beware, but know what you are getting into :p
I think Bjj needs to stay out of the Olympics - you think the rules are bad now? Look what they did to Judo...
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by brianspinaltap
Fully agreed. Also, the breakdown of nations would be nuts. The qualifiers in Brazil and the US would essentially be determining the winner. There are only a handful of top bjj competitors outside of the US and Brazil that would even have a remote shot at winning. I know ADCC likes to play the nationality game, but the winners have almost exclusively always been Brazilian or American.
so all the Gracie Barra favoritism talk I heard of back in the day was legitimate! Lol
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by brianspinaltap