Low Cost, Low Risk Zog Seminars in 2014 ;)

Hey Guys & Gals. I'm looking to stay super busy in 2014, so I've decided to drop my seminar rates and now offer a low risk option with the ability to make your school money as well! Only inquire if you are really looking to take your Leg Locks, Top Game and 1/2 Guard to the Next Level! This option is only available if you book your seminar before June 1st! Message me on Facebook or E-Mail me CoachHerzog@gmail.com

The Leg Lock game is expanding like wild fire, they shit we are building in Rochester is out of control. Like RG on the West Coast, we are continiously building and evolving our LL game on the East Coast. I'm super exited to start sharing some of the new stuff we've been working on in the Roc!

I'll also have some new videos out soon with Leg Locks from Twister Side Control. Russian Cowboy was a threat, now its just another tool of many from Twister Side Control. Hip Coil Locks, Straight Ankle Locks, Inverted Ankle Locks, High Side Ankle Locks, Knee Crushes,etc. are all pouring out of TSC now. My Dogs will tell ya, no ones legs are safe from anywhere anymore!

Scott will also be having some cameo appearances on "The Week in Roc" with some of the stuff he has been developing and tearing guys up with.

You thought you were caught up with all the leg lock stuff I've been teaching, shit just quadrupled!

Stay ahead of the curve!

+1. Woot!

I think we will be in, as usual :)

All your stuff on TWIR has really helped me and I look forward to more. Hopefully I can attend one of your 2014 Seminars.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

I think we will be in, as usual :)

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I get tons of love from Decatur, its my moon away from my home moon ;)

As soon as I get settled into a new school, I'll talk to my instructors about trying to bring you in.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

Hey Guys & Gals. I'm looking to stay super busy in 2014, so I've decided to drop my seminar rates and now offer a low risk option with the ability to make your school money as well! Only inquire if you are really looking to take your Leg Locks, Top Game and 1/2 Guard to the Next Level! This option is only available if you book your seminar before June 1st! Message me on Facebook or E-Mail me CoachHerzog@gmail.com

The Leg Lock game is expanding like wild fire, they shit we are building in Rochester is out of control. Like RG on the West Coast, we are continiously building and evolving our LL game on the East Coast. I'm super exited to start sharing some of the new stuff we've been working on in the Roc!

I'll also have some new videos out soon with Leg Locks from Twister Side Control. Russian Cowboy was a threat, now its just another tool of many from Twister Side Control. Hip Coil Locks, Straight Ankle Locks, Inverted Ankle Locks, High Side Ankle Locks, Knee Crushes,etc. are all pouring out of TSC now. My Dogs will tell ya, no ones legs are safe from anywhere anymore!

Scott will also be having some cameo appearances on "The Week in Roc" with some of the stuff he has been developing and tearing guys up with.

You thought you were caught up with all the leg lock stuff I've been teaching, shit just quadrupled!

Stay ahead of the curve!

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By the way, I'm friggin excited about all the new material.

You think you and Wally might wanna come down and do a whole weekend together?

For sure! Wally and I together are like PB & J. #Bang10WO

Herzog making smart moves.

I think all instructors should consider low risk seminars. Example; Host pays for the plane ticket. The plane ticket is the first thing that gets paid for with the seminar money that comes in. The next $1000 goes straight to the instructor. After that it's a 50/50 split. This way there is no real risk for the host. What challs think?

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

Herzog making smart moves.

I think all instructors should consider low risk seminars. Example; Host pays for the plane ticket. The plane ticket is the first thing that gets paid for with the seminar money that comes in. The next $1000 goes straight to the instructor. After that it's a 50/50 split. This way there is no real risk for the host. What challs think?

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* Rushes to airport to buy Eddie Bravo a ticket to Peterborough *

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Originally Posted by kurzy

* rushes to airport to buy eddie bravo a ticket to peterborough *

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

Herzog making smart moves.

I think all instructors should consider low risk seminars. Example; Host pays for the plane ticket. The plane ticket is the first thing that gets paid for with the seminar money that comes in. The next $1000 goes straight to the instructor. After that it's a 50/50 split. This way there is no real risk for the host. What challs think?

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I will make that offer to any school right now, and I will sweeten the pot for school owners too:

If I have never been to your school or hotbox before, I don't need the first $1000. We will split all the proceeds 50/50. And I will give you 25% of any private lessons you book for me while I'm there.

Holler at a brother. I'm down to spread the 10P gospel.

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

I will make that offer to any school right now, and I will sweeten the pot for school owners too:

If I have never been to your school or hotbox before, I don't need the first $1000. We will split all the proceeds 50/50. And I will give you 25% of any private lessons you book for me while I'm there.


Holler at a brother. I'm down to spread the 10P gospel.

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I'm down if this for real, I love to bring high level jits to my dojo and share the arts.

Honestly I think it's an awesome idea and great initiative. Zog, you will likely find yourself busier because of it.

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Originally Posted by Kurzy

Honestly I think it's an awesome idea and great initiative. Zog, you will likely find yourself busier because of it.

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My normal rate is even less that eddie's idea, and my special even lower than that, if your interested email me. I don't want to discuss rates here, I don't want anyone to feel like they are being undercut or hijacked.

I like it but i dont think i could ask for a grand.

I would love to have you back out to the St. Louis area. I'll talk to Jake and the guys over at the St. Louis hotbox to see what we can do.

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Originally Posted by Eric Schuettenberg

I would love to have you back out to the St. Louis area. I'll talk to Jake and the guys over at the St. Louis hotbox to see what we can do.

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That would be awesome

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

Herzog making smart moves.

I think all instructors should consider low risk seminars. Example; Host pays for the plane ticket. The plane ticket is the first thing that gets paid for with the seminar money that comes in. The next $1000 goes straight to the instructor. After that it's a 50/50 split. This way there is no real risk for the host. What challs think?

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I think that it is an amazing business model and a great option for schools that don't have the upfront cash to bring someone in.

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Originally Posted by Eric Schuettenberg

I would love to have you back out to the St. Louis area. I'll talk to Jake and the guys over at the St. Louis hotbox to see what we can do.

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Hell yeah, had a blast with you guys last time!

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Originally Posted by Scott Yockel

I like it but i dont think i could ask for a grand.

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If there is a grand left over after the expenses have been taken care of then you deserve it brother, it means there's a demand for you. You're not asking for a minimum of $1000 but if it's there it should be yours. Again, the host is at a great profit if all expenses are covered :)

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

If there is a grand left over after the expenses have been taken care of then you deserve it brother, it means there's a demand for you. You're not asking for a minimum of $1000 but if it's there it should be yours. Again, the host is at a great profit if all expenses are covered :)

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I don't mean any disrespect or anything, but isn't that a lot of money to ask for to teach a seminar for a few hours? Sorry I speak only for myself and my opinions do not reflect that of anyone part of my team or club. I just think that's kinda nuts that someone would have a brown belt instructor to their club, cover their expenses, and pay them upto $1000? I mean they should be compensated (&I dont mean some silly low sum), but isn't that a tonne of money for the club to make? Unless this is a much larger club, I mean a smaller club is gonna get what, 20 guys out? At say $50 a pop (a reasonable sum for pretty higher level instruction) that's only $1000. 30 people is $1500. So are you saying that the host should be willing to possibly take a loss to have the seminar in that case but definitely not make any money whatsoever? In order to fly someone from out of town in or even just pay for their gas, in addition to board and meals is a pretty decent expense in itself. Aren't most of the people that 10th planet instructors do seminars for clubs part of the association? Shouldn't the clubs and seminar instructors be working to benefit both parties?

I dunno I'm just curious about this concept because up here, in Ontario, experienced black belts within the province (I'm not talking about world champions people fly in, but solid, proven professors and people with 2nd and third degrees on their faixa preta) don't charge nearly anything close to that kind of money, usually don't request that expenses are paid, and most of the time they do their seminars for charity or as fundraisers for groups of high level students trying to fly out to Cali for the worlds.

I might just be used to a different kind of culture behind teaching etc, but last time I checked our dollar also was worth less too! :P Once again, not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to wrap my mind around this seminar pay structure concept being suggested.

It's a risk free way for the host to bring out a high level instructor. You can't take a loss unless you can't cover the instructors travel. It's great for hot boxes or smaller schools that may not have enough students to afford to pay someone travel+seminar fee. Also, it allows us to spread the system easier, due to more instructors getting out to more places. It makes us a much larger, stronger, and more connected team by taking the fear of taking a loss out of the equation. :)

Unifying everyone and strengthening the team is our goal

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Unifying everyone and strengthening the team is our goal

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This ^^ Paying an instructor 1K is very reasonable, expensive in terms of money yes, would I take a loss to bring in a 10P Jedi yes I would and I have. It's not about making money but taking care of each other. If you look at the time it takes an instructor away from their school, they have to make sure someone is there to teach while they are gone, and traveling a grand may barely cover their overall costs in the big picture. Hit up Marcelo and see if he will do a seminar for 1k lol

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Originally Posted by Josh Bodmon

I don't mean any disrespect or anything, but isn't that a lot of money to ask for to teach a seminar for a few hours? Sorry I speak only for myself and my opinions do not reflect that of anyone part of my team or club. I just think that's kinda nuts that someone would have a brown belt instructor to their club, cover their expenses, and pay them upto $1000? I mean they should be compensated (&I dont mean some silly low sum), but isn't that a tonne of money for the club to make? Unless this is a much larger club, I mean a smaller club is gonna get what, 20 guys out? At say $50 a pop (a reasonable sum for pretty higher level instruction) that's only $1000. 30 people is $1500. So are you saying that the host should be willing to possibly take a loss to have the seminar in that case but definitely not make any money whatsoever? In order to fly someone from out of town in or even just pay for their gas, in addition to board and meals is a pretty decent expense in itself. Aren't most of the people that 10th planet instructors do seminars for clubs part of the association? Shouldn't the clubs and seminar instructors be working to benefit both parties?

I dunno I'm just curious about this concept because up here, in Ontario, experienced black belts within the province (I'm not talking about world champions people fly in, but solid, proven professors and people with 2nd and third degrees on their faixa preta) don't charge nearly anything close to that kind of money, usually don't request that expenses are paid, and most of the time they do their seminars for charity or as fundraisers for groups of high level students trying to fly out to Cali for the worlds.

I might just be used to a different kind of culture behind teaching etc, but last time I checked our dollar also was worth less too! :P Once again, not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to wrap my mind around this seminar pay structure concept being suggested.

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Not at all, the host is not just paying for a few hours during a seminar, you are usually pay for 3 days of their time. When I leave town on the weekends it costs me money, I also have to find coverage for my classes.

If I were to travel to any of my instructors schools I'd pay at least that (I usually drop $1500-2000+) on my trips to LA to train. It would be double that to go to Russia. I very rarely make money when I host seminars I usually loose money. But its always less that what I woulda have paid to go train with my instructors.

Most of us have done free seminars, I have done several. This is my career and a seminar with me you are getting a professional seminar with expert material in a well fomated and developed presentation based on 29+ years experience. It worth double that amount. I have been to several seminars taught by blackbelts, there presentation and ability to articulate information was horrible. That doesn't happen at mine. They are also not just getting the knowledge of a "brown belt", they are also getting the knowdledge of an international Judo (5th degree Black Belt) and Sambo medalist.

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Originally Posted by Josh Bodmon

I don't mean any disrespect or anything, but isn't that a lot of money to ask for to teach a seminar for a few hours? Sorry I speak only for myself and my opinions do not reflect that of anyone part of my team or club. I just think that's kinda nuts that someone would have a brown belt instructor to their club, cover their expenses, and pay them upto $1000? I mean they should be compensated (&I dont mean some silly low sum), but isn't that a tonne of money for the club to make? Unless this is a much larger club, I mean a smaller club is gonna get what, 20 guys out? At say $50 a pop (a reasonable sum for pretty higher level instruction) that's only $1000. 30 people is $1500. So are you saying that the host should be willing to possibly take a loss to have the seminar in that case but definitely not make any money whatsoever? In order to fly someone from out of town in or even just pay for their gas, in addition to board and meals is a pretty decent expense in itself. Aren't most of the people that 10th planet instructors do seminars for clubs part of the association? Shouldn't the clubs and seminar instructors be working to benefit both parties?

I dunno I'm just curious about this concept because up here, in Ontario, experienced black belts within the province (I'm not talking about world champions people fly in, but solid, proven professors and people with 2nd and third degrees on their faixa preta) don't charge nearly anything close to that kind of money, usually don't request that expenses are paid, and most of the time they do their seminars for charity or as fundraisers for groups of high level students trying to fly out to Cali for the worlds.

I might just be used to a different kind of culture behind teaching etc, but last time I checked our dollar also was worth less too! :P Once again, not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to wrap my mind around this seminar pay structure concept being suggested.

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First, this is hella disrespectful. Implying that a brown belt doesn't deserve a good wage just because of belt color is offensive. Not just that, but Zog isn't a brown belt. He's a damn black belt who happens to have a brown belt in 10th planet on top of his black belt. That's decades worth of work and knowledge, and you're implying he's not worth $1k?

As a school owner, you shouldn't be hosting seminars to make money. You should he hosting seminars to improve your school's game. Zog brings something unique to the table. A lot of things actually.

Also, Eddie didn't even say you have to pay $1000. He said that the first $1k goes to the seminar guest. Only raise $500? It's all his. You go over $1000, you split it 50/50. That's reasonable to me.

Guys pay out the nose for Royce seminars and he barely does a thing. He just does a celebrity show up. Charges $50 to sign autographs. And teaches stuff that white belts learn in a matter of months. And people pay out the nose. But a guy who can revolutionize your game doesn't deserve $1k?

I'm not even talking just about Zog either. I'm talking about any 10th planet brown. Brandon McCaghren and Scott Yockel improved my game like crazy while they were just PURPLE! Louis Ho gave me a great butterfly game while he was brown. Stew Landry gave me a pass that is still money years later.

It's about quality, not belt color. A laborer is worth their wage. Again, in my strong opinion, you shouldn't be hosting seminars to make money. You should be doing it to improve your student's games.

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This ^^ Paying an instructor 1K is very reasonable, expensive in terms of money yes, would I take a loss to bring in a 10P Jedi yes I would and I have. It's not about making money but taking care of each other. If you look at the time it takes an instructor away from their school, they have to make sure someone is there to teach while they are gone, and traveling a grand may barely cover their overall costs in the big picture. Hit up Marcelo and see if he will do a seminar for 1k lol

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Guys, the cost of living and average income varies all over. $1000 is about right in New York or California areas for (no risk low cost seminars) But other places it doesn't matter who you are, you will not generate that. Royce Gracie does a seminar in our town about once every year or so. He has never done the numbers you guys are talking. And thats royce... the name people pay to see that have never even trained. I bet when he goes to New York or Cali he gets double the numbers mentioned. What does a small school with a tuition of $70 /month and 10 students do about a seminar? He never gets one, unless he takes a HUGE loss. Now, that part of business, advertising an training and anything to better your business is an investment. Small schools must "invest" in seminars. Which is the opposite of "low risk"...

With that said. That's business. Invest and grow. What it's all about. Risk/reward. These high level guys deserve to be paid well, and schools deserve to be profitable.

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Guys, the cost of living and average income varies all over. $1000 is about right in New York or California areas for (no risk low cost seminars) But other places it doesn't matter who you are, you will not generate that. Royce Gracie does a seminar in our town about once every year or so. He has never done the numbers you guys are talking. And thats royce... the name people pay to see that have never even trained. I bet when he goes to New York or Cali he gets double the numbers mentioned. What does a small school with a tuition of $70 /month and 10 students do about a seminar? He never gets one, unless he takes a HUGE loss. Now, that part of business, advertising an training and anything to better your business is an investment. Small schools must "invest" in seminars. Which is the opposite of "low risk"...

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I think it's important to note that Zog already mentioned earlier in the thread that he's asking way less than that anyway. So the $1k isn't even an issue. He's done small seminars before so it really is low risk. Instead of everyone bugging over the (great) idea that Eddie threw out, just contact Zog directly, get his rates for yourself, be pleasantly surprised, and improve your humble squad into a squad of killers.

Thanks Coach Zog for your input and directly answering some of my questions. I'm just a blue belt and a university student so I genuinely don't know and am used to a completely different culture where things are done for mutual benefit out here and I think it differs greatly to say a situation like yours most of the time where as you said a day seminar means being away from your club a whole weekend. We do alot more unity stuff up here and even have what we call Jiu Jitsu Jams, basically where clubs get together for 4-6 hours in a day and each head instructor of the clubs present teaches a half hour mini seminar making it a super seminar for free (kind of like what you folks did with the first east coast training camp, but free). I know the seminars are an inconvenience to the person going out of town to teach but in the case I'm questioning, they're also being paid decently right? That was my logic. I guess I'm just more used to a smaller close knit community thing and am spoiled with all the exposure to high level guys I get through my instructor because we travel plenty for open mats and these bjj community events like Jiu Jitsu Jam.

I wasn't using Royce Gracie as a comparison (Royce would fall into that discussion of seminars with world champs or celebs you fly in...so would Marcelo...) when referencing say brown belts vs 2nd and 3rd degree black belts up here, I meant people from here who are monsters. 10th Planet may not know about them, but hey, I'm sure most people outside of 10P don't know about some of the awesome instructors part of the system either.

In regards to the idea that flying in an instructor to teach a seminar vs flying out to train with them and comparing expenses and benefit there, would you not get more time spending say a week with an instructor and having close interactions learning a variety of things if you trained with them instead of doing a seminar with them? The seminar offers a better experience for your students because now they get direct exposure but how often does the instructor spend time rolling with the host at a seminar vs if the person were to go train with that instructors gym?

I afford training through helping out by teaching our kids at my club and competing through sponsors, so my point of view is different than the average bjj consumer with a regular, steady income. To me hosting a seminar where the instructor is taking home as much as $1000 in addition to expenses being paid and the host makes nothing, even possibly takes a loss, is kinda pushing it, but I guess I'm used to a certain culture up here in Canadia, and I guess things are diff for you folks. Nothing wrong with making money, I'm just used to the mutual benefit thing. Yes the instructor is bringing knowledge but also earning a lump sum of money for their time and efforts. I kind of agree with ScottRay about stuff, but that must be because I train in a small town at a small club. Once again, no disrespect meant, I apologize if it seems that way, I just don't know enough, so I thought I would ask, and thanks for your input everyone!

The pricing in here is very in line and reasonable. If you want to pay less, than yes you will have to train with no name instructors who are local to the area.

It's like how bringing in a mid level punk band from California is going to be far more expensive than a local punk band from Ontario.

I hear what you're saying Josh. We really do have a different thing going, on with all the amazing clubs at our disposal we can just show up and roll at if we feel like it. We are used to seeing top notch JJ players teaching rooms filled of students for free or for pennies.
Not every area has that culture, so be thankful!
(I know you are bro)

Zog - I am actually really wanting to come down and roll at your moon some weekend. I have wanted for for a year now but I just haven't been able to pull it together. Let me know if I am welcome and I will set something up once this super-shitty candian winter passes.
Let me know the matt fee, etc.

I totally get what Josh is saying, and I totally jive with what ScottRay said too.

I would love to Fly Denny to Peterborough, or get Zog to drive up, or whatever other 10P beast:
But our club is small and after paying for a ticket and hotel and food and beers or whatever, I would already be out a thousand dollars. Boom.
Then the students roll in and only 12 show up and Boom. I'd be short again. Then I'd hand it all over and that's that.

Then I return to normal life and my vehicles break down and my furnace requires repair and my dogs suddenly require testicular cancer treatment and my visa is maxed, and my pay cheque is gone to bills.
Then my wife divorces me and my children starve.
lol.
Just screwing around.

But yeah, the market here is not like larger cities where BJJ names are well known. People don't flock to seminars. That's all I am saying. Much respect to the beasts who teach and you do deserve what you can get, but imo, you will not be able to get the same dollar figures at every stop.

It reminds me of when I was setting up a tour for my old band (Heaps of Dead) with an Ottawa grind band (Fuck the Facts) and a band I brought from Belgium (Emeth).

I managed to get $600 on a Fri and Sat night in two decent cites on contract. The rest of the shows were all like $200 here, $300 there, and more often than not, promoters would come up short.
That money had to get split with all three bands and Emeth naturally got the most.

When I was booking it, I knew there was no way that I could get the same money in Niagra Falls on a Saturday night that I could in Toronto on a Saturday night. It's just part of the business. The market just isn't the same.

Shit for that matter, Emeth deserved to get paid $800 to a grand a night alone! But there is just no way, even though they deserved it.

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I hear what you're saying Josh. We really do have a different thing going, on with all the amazing clubs at our disposal we can just show up and roll at if we feel like it. We are used to seeing top notch JJ players teaching rooms filled of students for free or for pennies.
Not every area has that culture, so be thankful!
(I know you are bro)

Zog - I am actually really wanting to come down and roll at your moon some weekend. I have wanted for for a year now but I just haven't been able to pull it together. Let me know if I am welcome and I will set something up once this super-shitty candian winter passes.
Let me know the matt fee, etc.

I totally get what Josh is saying, and I totally jive with what ScottRay said too.

I would love to Fly Denny to Peterborough, or get Zog to drive up, or whatever other 10P beast:
But our club is small and after paying for a ticket and hotel and food and beers or whatever, I would already be out a thousand dollars. Boom.
Then the students roll in and only 12 show up and Boom. I'd be short again. Then I'd hand it all over and that's that.

Then I return to normal life and my vehicles break down and my furnace requires repair and my dogs suddenly require testicular cancer treatment and my visa is maxed, and my pay cheque is gone to bills.
Then my wife divorces me and my children starve.
lol.
Just screwing around.

But yeah, the market here is not like larger cities where BJJ names are well known. People don't flock to seminars. That's all I am saying. Much respect to the beasts who teach and you do deserve what you can get, but imo, you will not be able to get the same dollar figures at every stop.

It reminds me of when I was setting up a tour for my old band (Heaps of Dead) with an Ottawa grind band (Fuck the Facts) and a band I brought from Belgium (Emeth).

I managed to get $600 on a Fri and Sat night in two decent cites on contract. The rest of the shows were all like $200 here, $300 there, and more often than not, promoters would come up short.
That money had to get split with all three bands and Emeth naturally got the most.

When I was booking it, I knew there was no way that I could get the same money in Niagra Falls on a Saturday night that I could in Toronto on a Saturday night. It's just part of the business. The market just isn't the same.

Shit for that matter, Emeth deserved to get paid $800 to a grand a night alone! But there is just no way, even though they deserved it.

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Which is exactly why I offer LOW RISK semianars as an option. Eddie gave his idea, which is awesome, but the offer I'm running for the next 6 months, blows Eddies option out of the water.

I taught seminars with 6 people and I've taught them with over 50 people, not counting the Training Camps. I'm just trying to stay busy and teach as much as possible.

Kurzy you are always welcome, I don't charge a mat fee for anyone thats from a moon or offical hotbox.

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The pricing in here is very in line and reasonable. If you want to pay less, than yes you will have to train with no name instructors who are local to the area.

It's like how bringing in a mid level punk band from California is going to be far more expensive than a local punk band from Ontario.

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Just curious, you train at a Cobra Kai, but at least frequent these forums regularly; outside of 10th Planet, and the 10P forums, who knows any of the brown belt instructors who do seminars at other moons? If I mention I train at a 10th Planet school to anyone outside of my school the only name people know is Eddie Bravo. I've mentioned that Einstein came up and a few people know Epstein and Denny. Other than that if I ever reference someone for a technique I've worked in of theirs (say a certain leg lock from Zog for instance or Slick Rick's Rubber Stamp), they have no idea who I'm talking about. I think maybe you're losing sight here. If I mention say Zog's name, he is a leg lock master right? He's a huge name in any 10P school because of his lifetime spent honing his craft and the years he's spent producing beasts. However, he's not a mid level California punk band vs a local band from Ontario when you compare him to our black belts up here bro lol.

My professor Richard Nancoo came up training both in Ontario and spending years at a time in Brazil training with Master Sylvio Behring and the likes of Mario Reis, Werdum, etc. He's spent time ensuring hes cutting edge spending time with Poppovitch out in Florida, and has cornered plenty of UFC bouts (for guys like Antonio Carvalho and Mitch Gangnon). He too has devoted his life to his art and his craft and has been trainined by and with top of the food chain people. So, kind of unjust to make that call because we are used to a different culture of bjj up here when it comes to profiting through seminars. The name recognition thing varies based on where you train unless you're talking a bjj celebrity or multiple times world champ who has some following.

Thanks Zog!

Yeah I think its time to get Zog on the West Coast.

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Originally Posted by Josh Bodmon

I don't mean any disrespect or anything, but isn't that a lot of money to ask for to teach a seminar for a few hours? Sorry I speak only for myself and my opinions do not reflect that of anyone part of my team or club. I just think that's kinda nuts that someone would have a brown belt instructor to their club, cover their expenses, and pay them upto $1000? I mean they should be compensated (&I dont mean some silly low sum), but isn't that a tonne of money for the club to make? Unless this is a much larger club, I mean a smaller club is gonna get what, 20 guys out? At say $50 a pop (a reasonable sum for pretty higher level instruction) that's only $1000. 30 people is $1500. So are you saying that the host should be willing to possibly take a loss to have the seminar in that case but definitely not make any money whatsoever? In order to fly someone from out of town in or even just pay for their gas, in addition to board and meals is a pretty decent expense in itself. Aren't most of the people that 10th planet instructors do seminars for clubs part of the association? Shouldn't the clubs and seminar instructors be working to benefit both parties?

I dunno I'm just curious about this concept because up here, in Ontario, experienced black belts within the province (I'm not talking about world champions people fly in, but solid, proven professors and people with 2nd and third degrees on their faixa preta) don't charge nearly anything close to that kind of money, usually don't request that expenses are paid, and most of the time they do their seminars for charity or as fundraisers for groups of high level students trying to fly out to Cali for the worlds.

I might just be used to a different kind of culture behind teaching etc, but last time I checked our dollar also was worth less too! :P Once again, not trying to be disrespectful, just trying to wrap my mind around this seminar pay structure concept being suggested.

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Josh do you feel like I could fly out Richard Nancoo or Sylvio Behring to my school for a lower price or that if they were priced identically I would get a better value?

While Sylvio Behring is incredibly knowledgeable, I know for a fact he would not be able to teach a legit seminar on Rubber Guard. People pay to be instructed by highly knowledgeable people in a particular field of interest. If I wanted a seminar on traditional Gi Jiu Jitsu there are hundreds if not thousands of legit instructors.

If I want to learn 10th Planet specific techniques there are only a handful of qualified instructors in the entire world.

Who exactly is an upper level blackbelt in Ontario? All the guys I know are from Toronto.

I am pretty sure the smart marketer would be sure to mention Zogs achievements in Sambo as they trump his brown belt. If someone were to tell you a decorated Sambo artist was teaching a legwork seminar, you'd bite right? I stick by my comparison, primarily because nobody knows who you're coach is and Zog is marketing primarily in house to people who know him.

By the way, I know how much Bering (the dad) charges for a seminar and the numbers in here are basically pennies compared.