Who uses it. Who loves it.
I was focusing on it for awhile but went away from it to work on other projects but decided to revisit the crucifix last night. I think it has a lot of potential for domination.
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Who uses it. Who loves it.
I was focusing on it for awhile but went away from it to work on other projects but decided to revisit the crucifix last night. I think it has a lot of potential for domination.
Anyone please throw up any sick set ups you find/know! 10WO is only getting stronger with the sharing of knowledge!
Wouldn't mind hearing some myself.
It was my go-to move for a bit on people who'd turtle up. Shigeki Matsuda will tighten up your crucifix game in no time. The problem that I've been having recently is people going straight to their back once they feel you creepin with that foot to trap the arm, but I can't complain about having side control either. :rolleyes:
There was a slick video floating around demonstrating an armbar from the crucifix position, I'll have to look for it again. I'd definitely like some tips on how to control the lower body while cinching everything up top.
I love the crucifix. Unfortunately I forget about at it times, since the only postion I'm effective at setting it up is from top sprawl. Between back takes, darces, twister rolls, jnt, guillotine, pnt, I forget about the crucifix too often.
Oh Marcellinho, you never let me down.. <3 <3 <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffin Lambert
Thanks for that, Griffin!
Thanks Griffin, MG broke that down very well, including the options available from there.
I love the crucifix!
Its a situation where both your opponents arms are neutralized but you have a hand free to do damage!
The Marcelo video above is boss, he attacks the armbar and one hand choke at the same time, its very hard for people to defend both submission while trying to escape.
I use it a lot. Threaten from back or turtle, finish armbar with legs, rnc, reverse omoplata, americana, inverted triangles, kimura recovery. Marcelo's stuff is the best although lots of people have great tidbits.
Good finds Griffin
I feel like theres other choke opportunities there too. Ninja choke, figure 4 guilly, guilly, a nasty neck crank (cattle catch?). This is all from my crazy head so we'll see how they work in real lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by Alex Canders
I have two setups from top side I use often as well. One my friend taught me and and another came from playing with the cradle trap. Super tight. I love crucifix.
Do you have a link to the cradle you're talking about? I think there's a chance for a Spladle if they stay based and keep turtled rather than letting you roll them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
I made it up. But I'm sure someone else found it before. If you stay patient and heavy they're fucked.
In this cradle they are facing away from you. Shoulder pressure with legs laced.
Sam Davis is all over me with the Crucifix right now. He's killing with it. He's an incredible student, so he will probably have some great insight.
When Eddie did his last seminar in Detroit, Adlai Cleveland demonstrated a super-sick crucifix setup and I know Eddie got it on film.
I have hinted at Eddie to put it in an MTS and he said he wouldn, but I think it's long gone by now... :(
The crucifix and the back are the same thing in my mind. Just different control with the legs. It's all a compliment to the seatbelt. If they bridge when in the crucifix put both hooks in. If they escape your back control catch the top side (choking) arm with legs and they are in the crucifix. Back and forth until they expose their neck. Once I'm a brown belt I plan on making some videos of this stuff. It's my favorite. The "reverse crucifix" position is in the R and D phase right now as well.
You can do some really wicked stuff with the crucifix. Someone link the marcelo and Ben askren roll and watch the last thing he taps him with.
I think it's called the Baret choke no? Baret is incredible with it. I thought the crucifix was the side control rabbit punch thing that Matt Hughes did to BJ, no? Am I retarded ? :)
Just texted 10p black belt Shigeki Matsuda.....
"Yes, it's called Kadowaki special. He tapped Rumina Sato with this.
Baret learned it from him.
I also learned it from him" -Shigeki
I think what Matt Hughes did to BJ in there 2nd fight was technically an inverted crusifix. I'm not sure what the correct terminology would but it's either an inverted or reverse crusifix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
There is a crucifix from the top and a crucifix from the back. The top one is a MMA beat down position and the back one is the one Marcelo does all the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Ujz5sCS3k 6:32 is where Marcelo starts setting up the Bonanza choke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Davis
Yep, and the Baret Choke is a modification of the regular old crucifix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Davis
I'm terrible at all of it.
It definitely isnt a strong point of my game. Im working on it though. Studying all of Marcelos stuff trying to master it!
so correct me if im wrong but you would call ita crucifix control when one arm is controlling one of their arms and your legs are controlling their other arm?
because i go into it all the time from jiu claw. i get the omaplata and when i sit up i hook the arm and use it to twist my body around to get the tap. it also takes way his abilty to base well and makes it easy to flatten. and if he rolls out of it i can keep the control and attack more from there. the chokes are all available aswell but i really love my omplata so i always aim to finish from there.
So the kadowaki special is different than the rear crucifix?
If kadowaki invented it then we gotta do the right thing and give him credit
"Yes, it's called Kadowaki special. He tapped Rumina Sato with this.
Baret learned it from him.
I also learned it from him." -Shigeki
Btw Shigeki is a ninja with this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxtWzLHbYD4 <---- According to this video and the videos I have watched of Baret, the Kadowaki Special/ The Baret Choke is the rear crucifix (The Marcelo Crucifix) but with your left leg (in this instance) hooking the opponents leg from the inside and a 1 arm choke.
There is a clear transition by Baret switching from the Rear crucifix (before the slam) to the Kadowaki special (after the slam). This is assuming that what I am saying is accurate. Make sure to show shigeki and find out what he says because his word is obviously more accurate than mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr_37...32DDDE2036D0CB This is the switch I was referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Davis
Ive heard this called the mounted crucifix. And the one from the back crucifix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Would you pretty please get Shigeki to film some of his crucifix stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
I thought there were 3 main variations
1) the "back" crucifix where for example your opponents turtled and you trap the arm and roll, then you split your opponents arms apart and neck crank, armbar or choke them. I thought this was the main one because the guy looks like he is stuck on a cross. In wrestling if you lock this variation up you lose because it's a pin for the person on top...
2) opponents turtled and you lock it but dont roll, he would still be turtled.
3) "mounted" crucifix from side control
Marcelo is really good with it... If you watch the video of him vrs damian maia he sets up a marcelotine off of the 2nd variation. He also has a neat set up off of the Heisman for if you cannot get all the way out.
That Heisman set up is pretty slick. I got some reps in from a set up from side control that I think will work at a high percentage. Pretty pumped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Brick
I still remember that being called a Salaverry after Ivan beat down some folks with it. I think that started when he was the main event of the original Ultimate Fighter about ten years ago. Guess I'm old ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
i think the salaverry is pinning the arm under the leg but not really getting the triangle with the legs to control the arm. i think submissions 101 may have had a video on it that i saw years ago and the makers of the ufc games put it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Wallace
Not sure if thats considered a crucifix but I dont see why not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaac Atley
I am sort of surprised 10th Planet does not have more paths, advanced setups, and finishes related to the crucifix. It is such a dynamic position with several finishes everywhere you look. I have been using the crucifix to setup the reverse omoplata from both the turtle and side control. I think once you get into side control, the reverse omaplata is the most high percent shoulder lock and I am consequently searching for the best crucifix setups in an attempt to level up my finishing skills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjkgpO0Aq5s
This leg kimura also looks fairly high percent once you get there. It just gives me another reason to keep fishing around for setups. :)
TTT where is Brent Smith at?....?
There are a couple of guys in 10p that have ridiculous game from there. Adlai Cleveland and John Botello come to mind.
I am sure there are. I am just sort of surprised I have not seen anything in Mastering the System or any demos from any of the moons. Of course I could have missed some. It seems to me there could be some transitions to the crucifix off of some Truck entries and with it being such a dynamic position, it would be helpful to divide up the hierarchy of layers to the crucifix with names and 10th Planet excels at naming positions that make it easier for someone to remember the positions and transitions and so on and so forth...Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren