What is your preferred submission from INVISIBLE COLLAR?

Ok guys so here I am again picking yall's brain. I've notice that recently when Cora's battle bigger stronger boys, it is so had for her to get to invisible collar, but when she manage to get into invisible collar, she chose to go for the armbar and it just hasn't pan out all that great. So what is your preferred submission from the invisible collar that will end it there?

At the 2:35 mark of this video is what I am talking about. The boy seem to manage to pull the arm out. Just need to tweak this in preparation for Kids Pan Am in 2 weeks. And jiu claw is out of the question as they don't allow kids to do omoplata. Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX8i3VcdN2A

Now I always try to make muddy waters happen off invisible collar. It's actually way easier going to muddy waters off IC than Ny crackhead :)

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Originally Posted by Cora Sek

I've notice that recently when Cora's battle bigger stronger boys, it is so had for her to get to invisible collar

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If you're going against Zombie conscious opponents, Invisible Crackhead is the way to go to get the eventual Invisible Collar. You can just chicken wing them from there to get the easy hand on the mat. There are also Duda and Baratoplata transitions you can work from that position.

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

Now I always try to make muddy waters happen off invisible collar. It's actually way easier going to muddy waters off IC than Ny crackhead :)

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This.

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

Now I always try to make muddy waters happen off invisible collar. It's actually way easier going to muddy waters off IC than Ny crackhead :)

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hmmmm never played that transition before. We always get muddy waters from Ny crackhead. We'll give it a go.

Duda is not legal for kids. We play with the baratoplata some, but haven't really drilled it that much lately. Been spending more time polishing her spider guard.

This post isn't gonna help answer your question, but I just had to say it.... Cora's got some AMAZING jits! I mean, that boy was a heck of a lot bigger than her (not to mention, he has obvious "boy strength") - but that web that she kept spinning, all those inversions she was hitting... really, really impressive stuff.

Gotta admit I enjoyed that match a lot more than most world championship matches (what's wrong with me, right? :p ).

Also, she's gonna be SOOOO good once she's allowed to do omoplatas, that's such an easy, direct 'go to' move from the rubber guard/armbars/triangles/etc (i.e. everything that she's already doing superbly with).

Maybe it's not the submission, maybe she just needs more reps on it. Here's what I saw, and I'm only putting my two cents in bc this is where I'm best. Big girl/guy in invisible collar or crackhead to arm bar. :-) Ok, so the boy's hand was on the mat on her left side. She overlooks it and goes for the armbar. 1st thing. She should have stomped harder on his neck with the left foot, major leg curls. 2nd thing, had she stomped on the head and squeezed her knees together tight, she would have had time to transition from the overhook to a deep hook. It looked like she was going for a flower sweep with her right arm, which is awesome, but she probably could've used it to help control his arm, even going to a Kimura grip, or taking the extra hand and cupping his elbow to pull it in front of her hips.

These are just suggestions for tightening up the sub from what I saw. Also, don't forget the far side armbar. That's a good one to have in the back pocket as well. Hope this helps Cora!

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

Now I always try to make muddy waters happen off invisible collar. It's actually way easier going to muddy waters off IC than Ny crackhead :)

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No hands Invisible croc=the best thing ever ;) . When muddy waters came out, I started inserting that as an in between position when I need the added control to keep them from slipping out. In general, when they are pulling back out I go muddy waters first, when they are stacking over my head I straight up invisible croc and if I have complete control in the middle either one will work ;)

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Originally Posted by Cora Sek

Duda is not legal for kids. We play with the baratoplata some, but haven't really drilled it that much lately. Been spending more time polishing her spider guard.

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If omaplata's are illegal for kids, you bet your bottom dollar the IBJJF will DQ you for a baratoplata.

gogo

Also, at around 2:45 in your match, Cora attacked the near arm in invisible collar instead of the far arm. That IS completely valid but not the technique I am talking about. He WAS angling her hips that way, but I would have either fixed it and invisible croced or caught a little bit MORE angle that direction before changing armbars.

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Originally Posted by Brian Debes

Also, at around 2:45 in your match, Cora attacked the near arm in invisible collar instead of the far arm. That IS completely valid but not the technique I am talking about. He WAS angling her hips that way, but I would have either fixed it and invisible croced or caught a little bit MORE angle that direction before changing armbars.

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I think the problem is that she is not able to control his wrist enough in that angle. She's only clamping it down with her armpit like as in a Mir Lock. It work for smaller boys her size, but not bigger boys who can pull out. We'll just have to play around with it more in this scenario.

The Gogo is nice, but to be honest, she hasn't tapped anyone out with a gogo yet. Will have to so more research on the croc series and the Muddy Waters.

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Originally Posted by Cora Sek

I think the problem is that she is not able to control his wrist enough in that angle. She's only clamping it down with her armpit like as in a Mir Lock. It work for smaller boys her size, but not bigger boys who can pull out. We'll just have to play around with it more in this scenario.

The Gogo is nice, but to be honest, she hasn't tapped anyone out with a gogo yet. Will have to so more research on the croc series and the Muddy Waters.

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im really getting into getting muddy gogos on people. there is a much smaller chance of them posturing out of it all.

can you use the omoplata as a sweep?

IBJJF rules doesn't states sweep or submission, they just list omoplata as the illegal moves for kids.