Probably close minded on my part, but it really does pain me to watch it happen. I'm sitting here watching Mir vs Overeem and I want to scream at the tv.
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Probably close minded on my part, but it really does pain me to watch it happen. I'm sitting here watching Mir vs Overeem and I want to scream at the tv.
IMO, for some it may be just a reaction thing. Not even thinking. I mean for me, I drill the living hell out of lock down but there is still times were on a wild scramble, I throw on traditional. Trust me, I know I know, I should burn in no gi hell for breaking the commandment, thou shalt not use traditional half guard. But it happens from time to time.
Edit* I are can't spell good
Yeah I mean fuck, what does Frank Mir know? Frank Mir is an World Championship open class champion and 6th degree black belt in BJJ. So, who knows. It's not like he was World Champ of a big fighting organization. Let those words fly at the TV man! Tell him what's up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross Davidson
Ow i don't know. I think "traditional half guard" gives you the opportunity to do mini stomps to take their base out from under them and you can still find the normal advantages you can get from that position. Also lets not forget that going into "traditional" half guard can throw off another 10th planet ronin by making them think on a base level you are a noob or pretender, if they don't know you.
There is no right or wrong way in jiu jitsu my friends, there are only the easy or hard way. There is a time for everything and plenty of uses for traditional half. I use it to get to a rather hasty swinging dog fight often.
Half guard bottom gets avoided by a lot of fighters and not really stressed by a lot of instructors. Mostly get back to guard or stand up
Seems like most of the time people come across 10PJJ, they either avoid it because so many instructors talk down rubber guard or try to just use 1 or 2 techniques not really wanting to put the time into learning a system of 1 position
I agree. Shelly, you're right it CAN be used in the chess match, but whenever I watch mma jj traditional half isn't used for much at all. Like last night, I didn't see one half guard demonstration that didn't end up with the bottom half getting their face pounded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Marshall
Traditional 1/2 guard is very viable guard. There is a time, place and circumstance for almost every guard.
Very good point about the mini stomps. I myself am not too good with the mini stomp yet but I have seem how useful they can be. And I actually do use traditionsl time to time when I roll with a 10thplanet player solely to bounce between the two guards so it's not easy to predict what's coking next. I've actually gone as far as switching my half guards 2-3 times while never even leaving half guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by shellysummers
Man I'm glad to see this thread...I felt like the half guard used in last nights UFC gave bjj a bad name. I feel like so much could be gained from using the lockdown to perfect double under hooks for sweeps and avoiding shots. Also from quarter guard, if guys would hook across the back to the far lat muscle and use the other hand to control the bicep until they could get the underhook, they could be so much more effective
Traditional half does seem good for trying to break your opponents hand with your manly face though
Thank you! I knew I couldn't be alone on this matter!Quote:
Originally Posted by VIVIANO
Oh there definitely seems to be a LOT of training in regards to that technique.Quote:
Originally Posted by VIVIANO
I'm curious, can you get to perfect double unders without using the lockdown to get there? Like when an opponent postures up to throw strikes. Is it ok to just sit up and get the double unders and body lock reverse or dog fight?
I saw this article couple of weeks ago pretty interesting stuff
http://mmafightdb.com/how-effective-...sweeps-in-mma/
could be that alot of BJJ guys dont practice getting punched in the face enough during grappling or simple as the sport is relatively new (sure we can argue when MMA first started) but for example boxing at first without gloves then changed and evolved and got more technical so maybe not to long from now we'll laugh at how BJJ is used nowadays like how not many people knew submissions in Royce era. (Im sure a number of fighters today would decimate royce in his prime, just how time works)
Yes. I do that all the time. You get way more control with the lockdown as well as the weapon feature the lockdown employs. But, especially against bigger guys that I don't want to be flat on my back with I'll go traditional half to pdu to dog fight or prison guard (I love hitting pg from here on big dudes; right to the back). Very available option which is also something I never see utilized in mma.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Perhaps, but when you're watching a trained jj assassin such as Frank Mir get his face pounded while not clinching in traditional half and switching to Z GUARD IN AN MMA MATCH (continuing to get his face pounded!), I think it goes beyond the simple evolution of the sport of mma and more into the use of clinching in jj that Eddie always talks about; something that our lockdown system inherently employs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz