Entry into rubber guard from lockdown

So I won't be able to try this until Sat (still kind of beat up from competing), but something that I've had a bit of success with is transitioning from lockdown to full guard. One of the main reasons why I don't really use the rubber guard that much is because it's been too difficult to get the foot on the hip against the monsters I go up against in the gym. But what I'm thinking is, while in lockdown, if top half has the outside under hook (standard head and arm control), and JOL isn't working, securing the over hook, blocking the knee with the inside hand, shrimping back slightly, getting the foot on the hip and taking a free New York seems like a viable transition path.

But what do you guys think about it? Success with it, or is there a better mechanical way to make the transition?

I've been killing it with prison guard from half guard/lockdown. Love that. My rubber guard is good but not great. Barncat has our gyms RG defenses world class, so even though I have the second best rubberguard in our gym, it isn't that effective on our guys because they gotta deal with Barncats RG every day. I think Eddie use to show lockdown to RG back in the day. Im sure it's still a legit transition. Gotta get that leg shrimped tho, may be a bad idea to go into jersey there. I dunno. :)

how are you looking to get your right leg (inside leg) out and onto your opponent's hip?

guys who know what you are going for aren't going to let you pull it up and onto their hip easily unless they don't care if you put them in full guard (which shouldn't be the case). i'm confident they will use their left hand to stuff your leg.

If they keep your right leg stuffed then don't you have the ability to go straight to carni?

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Originally Posted by tony_toffolo

how are you looking to get your right leg (inside leg) out and onto your opponent's hip?

guys who know what you are going for aren't going to let you pull it up and onto their hip easily unless they don't care if you put them in full guard (which shouldn't be the case). i'm confident they will use their left hand to stuff your leg.

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I guess the idea would be that the hand stuffing the knee would be an under hook which would be in the way of their defending arm. Also seeing as how they would have head and arm control it would be difficult to block the foot on the hip without compromising their base.

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Originally Posted by Scott Ray

I've been killing it with prison guard from half guard/lockdown. Love that. My rubber guard is good but not great. Barncat has our gyms RG defenses world class, so even though I have the second best rubberguard in our gym, it isn't that effective on our guys because they gotta deal with Barncats RG every day. I think Eddie use to show lockdown to RG back in the day. Im sure it's still a legit transition. Gotta get that leg shrimped tho, may be a bad idea to go into jersey there. I dunno. :)

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Pg from perfect double unders is awesome

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Originally Posted by Ross Davidson

Pg from perfect double unders is awesome

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amen to that

i think the underhook you have with your right arm is unlikely to be strong enough to keep their left/defending arm from stuffing your leg since you have shrimped your hips out to the left.

you're right, it will compromise their base when they block by pinching their legs in but you're going to need to bridge or test their base to get their leg based out (otherwise they will stay pinching with their legs)

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Originally Posted by tony_toffolo

amen to that

i think the underhook you have with your right arm is unlikely to be strong enough to keep their left/defending arm from stuffing your leg since you have shrimped your hips out to the left.

you're right, it will compromise their base when they block by pinching their legs in but you're going to need to bridge or test their base to get their leg based out (otherwise they will stay pinching with their legs)

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So I guys what you're saying is, it's difficult, but with the proper details, it's possible.

Check out MTS episode 62 where Eddie rolls with Matt from Montreal. Eddie goes from bottom half over/under to stomp to single butterfly, elevates it to get him to base then catches a flying chilldog. He does it over and over during the roll. I think that might be what your talking about.

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Originally Posted by BrySnave

Check out MTS episode 62 where Eddie rolls with Matt from Montreal. Eddie goes from bottom half over/under to stomp to single butterfly, elevates it to get him to base then catches a flying chilldog. He does it over and over during the roll. I think that might be what your talking about.

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This is exactly what I was going to say...:) yeah you have to stomp and go into the butterfly 1st. threatening them with the butterfly will open them up for the full guard. The butterfly is the link between lockdown and full guard.

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Originally Posted by Cora Sek

This is exactly what I was going to say...:) yeah you have to stomp and go into the butterfly 1st. threatening them with the butterfly will open them up for the full guard. The butterfly is the link between lockdown and full guard.

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along with posture control (assuming you haven kept the overhook)

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Originally Posted by Ross Davidson

So I guys what you're saying is, it's difficult, but with the proper details, it's possible.

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Its not only possible its and actual technique in the system. Theres an early epsisode of eddie teaching the flying kung fu/free New York from lockdown.

At work don't have time to think on this yet but just curious.. Can you go lockdown, stomp, ghost? And if so would that be considered an inferior path? Line of thinking is getting out from under someone much bigger.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

Its not only possible its and actual technique in the system. Theres an early epsisode of eddie teaching the flying kung fu/free New York from lockdown.

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Really?! I'm going to have to try and find that then.

Meat Hook from Lockdown. Big part of what I do personally.

If they take the underhook, I try to transition my bottom knee out and work towards a Meat Hook. Easier than you think.

Whizzers pimp is how you make them pay for trying to do the right thing. From lock down to RG.

Whizzer*

so im just thinking that a carni and would still be the best bet. if you cant get the JOL and you want to get to the foot on hip you mgiht want to think about brandons oprah move. you might not have to get the foot on the knee but getting your leg into the oprah position is easier and is also a tight move. and would possibly allow you to get more control to move them back and get into full guard etc.

even if they have JOL if you aim at getting on your side then it all becomes easier.

free new yorks/ chill dogs and kung fus are everywhere though.

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Originally Posted by Sean Applegate

Whizzers pimp is how you make them pay for trying to do the right thing. From lock down to RG.

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So are you saying that what I'm describing is called the whizzer pimp?

I'm gonna have to play with that, Brandon.

Yea, you described a whizzer pimp. It's a 10p fundamental basic. Whizzer the arm and keep your pimp arm strong on the other side. Shrimp and get the knee in and bam! RG

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Originally Posted by Sean Applegate

Yea, you described a whizzer pimp. It's a 10p fundamental basic. Whizzer the arm and keep your pimp arm strong on the other side. Shrimp and get the knee in and bam! RG

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Well I'm glad my thinking is inline with the system! Lol

Thanks for the info man :)

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Originally Posted by Ross Davidson

Well I'm glad my thinking is inline with the system! Lol

Thanks for the info man :)

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No worries brotha. The system is seamless. Understanding it's flow is paramount to using it to its full potential.