http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Sck...ature=youtu.be
My favorite DŽarce escape:-)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Sck...ature=youtu.be
My favorite DŽarce escape:-)
Heyyy!! Nice, next time I know this. I keep falling on darces. Lost one match in last tournament fast and embarrassing fashion. Thanks Magnus, need to drill this :)
Yeah Nico!! Im telling you! this work absolutely amazing
Most honorable Danielson! Very nice!
Whats stopping him from just finishing it like a marce?
i think its the angle of the bodies and keeping the elbow tightly in. when he does the wax off the shoulder looks like its pushed out further which im guessing releases the pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrentSmith
thats just my take on it i havnt tried it so i dunno for sure.
and on another note, awesome to see magnus back on the forum, i hope your shoulders getting better. and was that a 10th planet stockholm rashguard that i saw? looks awesome.
The elbow in the armpit and posturing. I'm also thinking you can tip toe mount to break the grip altogether. Or reach for the far hip to block them from rotating and switch base to traditional side control. Idk that's what I would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrentSmith
Nice one, hopefully you cant counter it with a marce, I will try to remember to test it tonight, but with all the chaos in my head right now I will prawlee forget. Brent, can you test it? :)
You can't turn it into a Marce because the arm is already across the body due to "waxing off" into the armpit. You land with the arm on the wrong side for the marce to work. The only problem that I see with this is that it's more dependent upon the opponent executing the darce with his hips up, as in the video. Low hip posture makes the darce more effective and would make this counter much harder, if not impossible unless you are much bigger and stronger than your opponent. If you check out the vids of both Ryan Hall and Jeff Glover, for example, their free leg is extended back and they keep their hips low. Look at Eddie's hips when he executes the Darce in Mastering the Twister: hips down and sprawled.
Still, looks like a good counter to take advantage of an opponents bad posture during a darce attempt which is pretty common.
Ill test it if I remember myself haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
I agree you wouldnt be able to finish it if you were to stay in that position after the sweep but if you were to homer simpson towards them that would knock them off their base and finish the marce. Side note this is just breaking it down in my head so I could be completely wrong.
I've seen guys use this counter. Building tension in the hips is a great way to throw them off base. As far as the marce is concerned, idk if it would happen here. There would be the whole mounting issue though. In order to build that tension you need to get close, but if he has to let go to release the tension and mount, at least you aren't in the darce anymore.
I think this is a good counter if you are in lockdown but when I am setting in a darce if they have lockdown I bail.
That being said could this work if someon locks in the darce from side control? Or do you use your legs like in the mechanic sweep?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr
I didnŽt want to make a 15 minutes video of it so some vital info was left out..My bad. This Counter/Escape works the best when people over commit for the DŽarce. Even if you donŽt get the whole roll with the "Wax off" move it will help you getting your back against the mat and release some presure. If they get you deep in the Dárce thereŽs not many moves that will help you recover..So timing is essential, just like any other escape.
So now Im going to do a longer version that covers JNT and guillotine too :cool:
When you do the Marce you need your kness up to his head in a crunch to prevent the are from coming across the body for this defense. In this, the arm is already lost, as was previously mentioned.
I would love to see the longer version!! Very interested in seeing opinions on this for JNT. If I have the leg caught, I still finish JNT with high percentage even after the "waxing" move gets the arm out. Because my arm is so tight to my chest, the "waxing" arm just get crammed back into the mix. I also finish JNT really inverted after they really roll with me to get on top. If I am in vice grip and can't get the leg for JNT or get deeper for darce, I open up for this escape and wait. When the do it I slide to North South for my North south choke rep.
What do you think about people that step over to mount to finish the darce? A lot of times, going flat helps them with the step over. I agree going flat is better than staying on your side if you're already in the choke, because usually people don't mount to finish unless they're pretty strong darcers. But if they can step over that's probably the strongest darce finish out there. Judt food for thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Applegate
Give me a week or so:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg Westmoreland
I'm trying this tonight. I've done similar to escape the JNT.
Cool! tell me the results:-)
I use this escape all the time for Japanese neckties.. I roll to the inside for darce escapes normally. you can't get marced with the arm escaping across the chest.. Deffinately legit!
Thanx DempseyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dempsey
Yeah I tried it out last night and I see what you all are talking about. Since the arm switches out to the other side the marce opportunity disappears. Guy on bottom would have to keep the grip shrimp out to get the arm back over and homer simpson for it to work. So I guess it would be possible but unlikelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Dempsey
There is same idea in Eduardo Telles turtle sweep we have been drilling :)
Eduardo is one of my old school heroŽs! when will I see your ugly face again:-)
Haha.. Hopefully soon. Yeah I love Telles stuff.
Nice accent! good advice, nice and simple!Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnus Hansson