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here are a couple of my go to spiral techs. hope this helps some of you guys out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAn3G...30TN0ejWJ5epEw
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here are a couple of my go to spiral techs. hope this helps some of you guys out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAn3G...30TN0ejWJ5epEw
Great techniques. Boo to the mouth guard
Thanks Sean
Very nice. Thanks for sharing!
So probly dumb question is Reverse De La Riva and Spiral the same thing ? cause Ive seen RDLR taught the same but that Spiral was was your right hand underhooking the Opponents leg . Either way cool stuff love the oliviera
Spiral is more from reverse de la riva
yea, go play spiral without a mouth guard. the first time a guy drops his knee on your face trying to stop the inversion, it will change your life.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrentSmith
Lol have yet to have it happen but I'm sure I'll hate life once it happens :)
I was meaning more so teaching with a mouth guard in. No problem with it otherwise
One of our guys used to fish for that calf slicer all the time. Good stuff. I agree. When teaching techniques there should be no mouth guard in my opinion though.
Yea, I should have spit it out. I literally just stopped rolling to film it. I'll keep that in mind when I film stuff in the future.
Nice. I've never done that calf slicer before, though I've seen it taught a few times. I need to work it in.
Why grab the underhook on the opposite leg instead of grabbing the waist? I've never tried it, so I'm curious to hear your reasoning.
Its all good. I like that Kiss of the Tiger technique. Love me some calf slicers so Im getting obsessed with them for my lower body attacksQuote:
Originally Posted by Sean Applegate
I speak mouthpiece, so i understood you fine.. ;). Personally how i like to finish that is gable around the same leg you slicing.. The waist is my second option to grab. Honestly never finished one grabbing the other leg.
A lot of guys, including myself, will stomp the heel on the foot you are trying to crush. If I grabb around the waist I am not controlling your ability to stomp. Also, I want to be able to sweep and pass if things go sour. Controlling the waist offers less control over all.
41:53 here. watch the way rafa controls. cobrinhas legs are made of rubber, but rafa uses the underhook to control.
http://youtu.be/m2B0PYCkR9s
Great stuff. Can't wait to get good enough where i can use stuff like this :)
Good stuff man
My head is gonna explode soon from all the good stuff posted on the forum lately
Just watch over and over and get someone to let you rep it on them. You're always good enough, just need more practice. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shelly Wilkins
Wonderful answer and great logic. I will be playing with this soon. Great stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Applegate
another powerful technique vid on the forum
Grabbing the waist allows you to take the back if things go sour, like how Rafa took Rader's back in ADCC. It looks like in the Cob match, he wasn't at the right angle to grab the waist because in other matches that seems to be his preferred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Applegate
notice that rafa is using this position to get to the back, not to finish or to get on top. grabbing the waist offers you a chance at the back, but you sacrifice some control. that control is what leads to the top position if things go sour. getting to the back is great, but its a lower % option than sweeping for top position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
rafa is accepting the loss of submission and trying to get the back there, thats a different philosophy than i am presenting.
What makes it lower percentage? I can think of several matches where it was used to take the back, but none where it was used to sweep
double underhooks to take the back vs. x-guard clinch sweep to top position. which one is higher percentage? do you really think double unders to the back nogi is higher percentage than x clinch to the top?
I am saying, over all the matches that calf crusher has been in it has been finished most often with waist control and that there have been more back takes than sweeps. I mean maybe you have created a better finishing position, but to call it higher percentage without any backup at this point seems rather hopeful. In the very example you gave, Rafa switches to waist control and doesn't keep the underhook.
I've hit this in comp. i use it on a daily basis. do you? i pointed out rafa's control. the fact that he switched and chased the back is great, but not the philosophy i presented. you have seen all the matches that calf slicer has been attempted in? or have you just seen rafa attempt it? notice that cobrinha wasn't going anywhere until rafa tried to switch and take the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
the proof is there. i, of course, don't know everything and never will. i probably should have said "in my experience" before i talked about the percentages.
Cobrinha didn't even feel the need to try to escape until Rafa went for the waist control, leading me to think he didn't feel any danger until that point.
I am trying to give constructive criticisms. We are both the same belt, it wouldn't bequeath either of us to assume we know more than the other. You should post the videos of you hitting it in competition though, that would definitely boost the credibility of the move. I woupd also enjoy knowing of any matches where it was used as a sweep, because I have honestly never seen it
what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
cool, explain how it is higher percentage. explain the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
He just sat there when rafa had the underhook. He was obviously not worried about the calf slicer being finished. When rafa switched to waist control, all the sudden cob was in full escape mode.
Its higher percentage because it has actually been done in high level matches and isn't mostly speculative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Applegate
match #2. this was from gracie worlds 2013. it was last july. i finished the guy with waist grips. since then, people have been catching on to this game. once they started to catch on and started defending the calf crush, i started going to the back, then they were getting away in the scramble. i started looking for a better way to capitalize on the crush and keep them from scrambling. that led me to the over under variation. like x-guard with the calf crush. it then became a debate about which clinch is stronger and higher percentage. the x clinch, in my experience, is a much higher percentage clinch than the double unders to the back. i found the video of rafa after i had been playing with this idea. that further reinforced my belief in it.
since switching, my percentages of finishing or sweeping have dramatically increased. there is also a delariva counter calf crush, that utilizes the same control. that crush leads to a pass.
the double unders path to the back, requires a release to switch to the seatbelt. the x clinch to the top does not require a release in clinch between positions. if clinch=control nogi, then by philosophy, the x clinch is better.
if you have other evidence that the unders path is better, id like to hear it; as i play this position A LOT.
http://youtu.be/9Dd1qi4l2Cc
Thanks, I am mobile so I can't watch the match till later. I will watch and comment further
Rafa actually shows it as a sweep in his nogi calsses with the waist grip. he calls it the kiss of the tiger and he shows a really cool way to sweep, get the back, and finish the calf slicer. All from the waist grip. It's very cool. I prefer the waist grip just because I think it's a little more versatile. Without the waist grip I can sweep or finish, but with the waist grip I can sweep or finish, but also get the back too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
thats legit, id love to see some video of rafa talking on this position.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteMike2k9
Cobrinha is pretty much un-leglockable. So I doubt he felt much danger through the whole submission and was just waiting for an opening to escape. If you really look at it Rafa lets go of the triangle when he passes the leg over his head and starts to move to take the back not to try to finish the calf slicer. Thats when Cobrinha escapes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
Theres this slick ham sandwich that you can hit from Deep half. You dont finish with waist control, you finish wrapping your arms around the leg thats in Deep Half. Very powerful too.
Brent was hitting this today, very awesome move Sean
Just couldnt get the finish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Alexander