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Random question but how come Kimuras aren't more popular and hit more often?

i personally find that they use a lot fo strength and the defense is quite easy to learn not mention practised a lot in most gyms. i think its kind of the same thing as RNC in the ufc. no one wants to be choked out like that so they all religiously train the defenses.

Its also a great setup for a lot of other moves, you could do a whole instructional DVD on moves that start with the Kimura and finish with something else.

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Originally Posted by Andrew "Chewie" James

Its also a great setup for a lot of other moves, you could do a whole instructional DVD on moves that start with the Kimura and finish with something else.

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That's how I usually use the kimura. I use it to set up other submissions, sweep, or improve my position. I really just use it as a potential threat and my opponent is forced to react but every once in a while ill actually be able to take the kimura all the way to the end.

There are entire systems built around the kimura grip. The reverse spiderweb is a modified kimura.

I thought this question was weird at first because the kimura grip is so versatile and can be hit from so many positions but, considering that, it seems there are relatively few kimura submissions. I guess it's because it's often used to sweep or improve position like others have said. I might try searching for it from different positions one night and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Ryan Boor

That's how I usually use the kimura. I use it to set up other submissions, sweep, or improve my position. I really just use it as a potential threat and my opponent is forced to react but every once in a while ill actually be able to take the kimura all the way to the end.

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I have been using it a lot lately with these same purposes. I rarely finish a proper kimura but have a lot of success with sweeping and improving position.

If 10th planet picks up reverse spiderweb from Orchard, I bet we'll see more kimuras. It's a strong position that doesn't require as much muscling as a traditional kimura.

The kimura is very versitle. I use it for positional stuff. Back takes, sweeps, etc.

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Originally Posted by Pan

I thought this question was weird at first because the kimura grip is so versatile and can be hit from so many positions but, considering that, it seems there are relatively few kimura submissions. I guess it's because it's often used to sweep or improve position like others have said. I might try searching for it from different positions one night and see what happens.

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The question came from watching recent competitions and it just seems not a whole lot of kimuras are being hit and I found it weird that something so effective isn't really more prevalent at ending matches.

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Originally Posted by Spencer Brown

The question came from watching recent competitions and it just seems not a whole lot of kimuras are being hit and I found it weird that something so effective isn't really more prevalent at ending matches.

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Yeah, you're absolutely right the more I think about it. I always have a kimura grip at some point during rolling but rarely ever finish one. Good observation.

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Originally Posted by Pan

Yeah, you're absolutely right the more I think about it. I always have a kimura grip at some point during rolling but rarely ever finish one. Good observation.

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Yeah I noticed it a few days ago. Brent Smith and I were chatting about it. You can really hit it from many spots.

To answer your Original Question... a lot of times they come down to who is stronger... I love Kimuras, but most of the time, I use them to create space, or use them as a distraction when I'm getting passed.

I'm sure I've read a quote somewhere from Marcelo where he talks about kimuras (as a submission) not being a big part of his game. His rationale was that he is successful against people his size but when he competes open weight it is a submission where strength comes into play and when his opponent is significantly bigger it is not a high percentage move.

Its my jammy jam. I hit kimuras all day. Won last 2 of 3 matches with kimuras.

Kimura Trap!

I love kimuras.. here's one of my favorite youtube vids on them too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icKKm1nk1iY

i never really cared much for them until the reverse spider web. they uses to much strength and every knows how to defend easily. but i hit the reverse kimura when i have a failed jiu claw or omoplata. usually people dont see that one coming.

you can also use it as a takedown, to a back take or side control with the set up already done.

I finish a lot of Kimuras. Usually from weird positions. The set ups are everywhere.

Rolling kimura is solid gold, it didn't make it into the warm ups by accident