Getting the twister roll

I have trouble getting the twister (aka ninja i think) roll with out ending up in halfgaurd with the guy on top of me. Is there any tips or links to MTS that can help me? I don't want my instructors thinking that the twister doesn't work. I'm trying my best to use the 10p stuff as much as possible but I fell like I should give up on it for a while, and I already have.

I've tried not switching to the lockdown to see if it helps, it didn't work (or maybe I didn't try it that way enough) I tried doing the twister roll with the grapevine already in, and I fcked that one up too.. I tried it at least 8 times so far, I even drilled it a bit too.

Any tips would be much appreciated, I want to get people interested in 10p in my region and its a goal of mine to open peoples minds to the system and educate them about what it really is about rather than the bullshit we hear sometimes.

Gotta be sneaky when you go for the samurai roll. The guy on bottom can feel you, don't look back when you do it. It will give you away. Roll tighter and grab the toes (on the foot that's not grapevined) so you land in the truck. That is my favorite escape to use the momentum from the samurai roll to get top half then pass. You have to grab the toes as you roll, then fight from there for the twister. Also, normally your legs are in a triangle position when you roll from 3/4 mount and grab the toes...

You need to drill it more than 8 times....

Yes. Drill way more when your not free rolling so the move is more muscle memory than conscious thought. It's hard to say what you doing wrong without details or a video. A common mistake is you want to be rolling towards their feet.

Are you attempting from twister-side or 3/4 mount?

Bro, I still don't pull off twisters very often or at all. There's soooo much to the system man. Starting off with the holy grail of tenth planet is a path destined for sucking at it for quite some time before you're able to legitimately and consistently threaten with it and pull it off.

What I have done is get my half guard game as honed as possible. Better be comfortable in a traditionally "disadvantaged" position and be able to use it offensively than have no ace in the hole. First, gotta get the right lockdown squeeze; knees squeezing together, tight, and the ankle lock extended. Second, gotta get used to readjusting the lockdown by using the knee squeeze to climb up your opponent's leg. Third, get the jaws of life down pat. Fourth, gotta get that whip going; I was taught that if you can get that lockdown slapped on, your opponent should not only be in trouble, but should feel that they are; basically, use it to screw up their balance. Fifth, learn the Omaha whip for larger guys. Finally, learn and perfect PERFECT double unders. After that, the sweeps are much easier to learn.

This is a battle. You will get crushed. But the payoff is golden. It's very comforting knowing that I have 8-9 sweeps waiting for me in the lockdown. Having that base has allowed me to open up with other areas of my game without worrying about losing position. I go against purple belts that try to avoid my half guard :)

This used to happen to me when I had no idea what I was doing and I was just emulating youtube.

If you're looking for the truck, make sure you're maintaining control of the other leg before you roll. I prefer on hand on the shin near the ankle, the other hand cupping the toes. Or you can use the wrestler grip from fishnet.

If you're trying to take the back, it's not often that they'll land in your lap. They might just end up on all fours so you wanna be ready to sit up and take the back with the seatbelt grip.

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Originally Posted by Kyle Spalla

You need to drill it more than 8 times....

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Lol.

Grab that other foot when you are going for the roll.

Where are you twister rolling from? I can't picture how you're ending up in half guard.

Are you rolling over the wrong shoulder?? That would most def put you in bottom half. If you're in twister side on their right side you should be Rollin over your left shoulder. If you roll over your right you'll basically pull them right into half.

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Originally Posted by BrentSmith

Where are you twister rolling from? I can't picture how you're ending up in half guard.

Are you rolling over the wrong shoulder?? That would most def put you in bottom half. If you're in twister side on their right side you should be Rollin over your left shoulder. If you roll over your right you'll basically pull them right into half.

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If you roll from 3/4 mount, the opponent can use your momentum as you roll to turn in and get top half.

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Originally Posted by Tori Applegate

If you roll from 3/4 mount, the opponent can use your momentum as you roll to turn in and get top half.

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Interesting. I have not experienced this but anything is possible. Then again I don't Samurai often. Well traditional Samurai at least

Do you have the Mastering the Twister DVD? That really helped me in terms of seeing all the transitions come to life (the book is awesome, but for me at least I need to see it, and then compliment with the notes). Of course, it does take practice and you do need to drill it first to get the motion, and then second with a resisting partner so you can feel the different roadblocks/speed bumps. Try to spend time not only working the twister roll from SC but also when opponent is on all fours (the Muffle and Dodge really helped me with getting the Twister roll, the half guard roll I don't do that much but even then I felt improvement after watching the dvd several times).

Don't give up, keep working on adding whatever 10pjj you can along with the standard BJJ basics!

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Originally Posted by BrentSmith

Interesting. I have not experienced this but anything is possible. Then again I don't Samurai often. Well traditional Samurai at least

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Sean went through a twister phase...Needless to say I learned quick to twist out of the samurai roll.....

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Originally Posted by BrentSmith

Interesting. I have not experienced this but anything is possible. Then again I don't Samurai often. Well traditional Samurai at least

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Yep. Back when I was first playing with it based on observation, I'd roll them too hard and roll them straight to their knees. For the back take I had to learn to either roll them slower or be prepared to sit up and take the back. For the truck I needed to learn about grabbing the toes.

lol i know, but its not possible right now. If I thought it only takes 8 times I would be a bit stupid lol

from turtle

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

Are you attempting from twister-side or 3/4 mount?

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Originally Posted by Andrew Sarasin

from turtle

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if the roll forward doesnt work; pull his/her big stinkyass onto yours, by that i mean fall backwards. it looks less cool but, sometimes you cant roll forward for w/e reason.

I thought Eddie said in his video to go towards the feet and not straight forward. Unless that's what u mean. I'll try it again today, hopefully I can stay in the truck.

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Originally Posted by Scott Philips

Yes. Drill way more when your not free rolling so the move is more muscle memory than conscious thought. It's hard to say what you doing wrong without details or a video. A common mistake is you want to be rolling towards their feet.

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

This used to happen to me when I had no idea what I was doing and I was just emulating youtube.

If you're looking for the truck, make sure you're maintaining control of the other leg before you roll. I prefer on hand on the shin near the ankle, the other hand cupping the toes. Or you can use the wrestler grip from fishnet.

If you're trying to take the back, it's not often that they'll land in your lap. They might just end up on all fours so you wanna be ready to sit up and take the back with the seatbelt grip.

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I have the twister DVD and even with that I suck. But I'll try to hold the feet better next time. I thought the twister roll was only from the turtle position, the other guy in Tuttle of course, like in the twister book. Rolling forward seems to work better then pulling them towards you, there's less resistance in my experience but seems harder not to lose my trick position. I hope it goes well today damit! Maybe on a noob it will work.

Just keep at it man!the twister roll is a hard one to master. From twister side I would get my back taken 90% of the time. I had to go through a trial and error phase before I got it down.
From turtle the stand up pass warm up breaks it down well. The MTS episode I mean.

I like to hit it off of a failed Berimbolo.

the guy im attacking is in turtle. in Mastering the twister Book they call it the twister roll. I think in the DVD which is like a year later he calls it the ninja roll.

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Originally Posted by BrentSmith

Where are you twister rolling from? I can't picture how you're ending up in half guard.

Are you rolling over the wrong shoulder?? That would most def put you in bottom half. If you're in twister side on their right side you should be Rollin over your left shoulder. If you roll over your right you'll basically pull them right into half.

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thx man, sometimes I wonder if I should go back to basic kimura, americana, knee on belly to mount, or opposite armbar whatever its called (which I never tried too much cuz everyone does that shit, i feel being unpredicatable is important), but after practicing that for at least a year it seems like I put enough time into it and its time to move on.

I've changed my halfguard game to basic eddie stuff like old school and plan B, but with BJJ side conctrol not the lockdown, I can't get it ith the lockdown, especially the right way, i used to think the feet were closed the other way, I feel like its harder to get to my side. FOr the electric chair its fine, but not old school and plan B. Half and half worked well too, but when going for the twister roll from turtle god dame its way arder to pull off than 10p half guard sweeps.

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Originally Posted by BrentSmith

Just keep at it man!the twister roll is a hard one to master. From twister side I would get my back taken 90% of the time. I had to go through a trial and error phase before I got it down.
From turtle the stand up pass warm up breaks it down well. The MTS episode I mean.

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no, Im not. But its not from twister side, its from the other guy in turtle, say the muffle or the wrestler. Twister side, I cant even get the fish net yet. every time I put my hand on the guys opposite knee he stops turning towards me. So I stoped ding that. I guess I'm slowly getting better at twister side, but I've abandoned it for a while now, I use it more for being unpredictable with guys that know my game, I'll which to twister side to confuse them. I guess I'm trying to get my basics a bit better from side control before I start focusing more on twister side. Im not terrable in traditional side control but I think I need a more work on going to north south and knee slicing to mount.

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Originally Posted by BrentSmith

Where are you twister rolling from? I can't picture how you're ending up in half guard.

Are you rolling over the wrong shoulder?? That would most def put you in bottom half. If you're in twister side on their right side you should be Rollin over your left shoulder. If you roll over your right you'll basically pull them right into half.

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usually i can;t pull them toward me (the wrestler or desouza, especially desouza) so I roll forward instead (twister roll). Its after that, the person ends up on top of me. I guess its my legs that are not locked down enough or my grip on his foot.

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Originally Posted by George Katechis

if the roll forward doesnt work; pull his/her big stinkyass onto yours, by that i mean fall backwards. it looks less cool but, sometimes you cant roll forward for w/e reason.

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Another possibility is that the people you are rolling with know how to defend the roll. Dempsy has a simple technique that ensures that no matter what the person attempting the twister does, he ends up on top of the roll.

In other words, sometimes you need to try something else.