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I have been getting reversaled by someone recently from mount when I go for a head and arm or arm pit control.
Does anyone have any tips on how not to get rolled on my back in guard?
Even with pointing my knee outwards on the side he roll me is not enough.
Ankles crossed seems like a bad idea since its easier to roll me on my back.
Any ideas?
Hard to say without seeing what it is your doing wrong. I would assume your knees are just too low on his body if he's able to sweep you. Are you stabilizing position at the chopping block before you attempt head & arm choke?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Sarasin
Andrew, sure you are being swept, not bridged off?
If people try to bridge me and I don't want to let go of head and arm, I sometimes extend the leg hooks and collapse their base, then hurry back up high again, that works for me.
When he starts to take you over, let the choke go and keep the top position. Get better at holding position and then start to evaluate the individual technique.
I assume youre in skydive mount? be mobile, if youre in skydive and think you ight get swept, be ready to throw a leg out to base better. and you can use your elbows and your head sometimes as well as points on the ground to help with ur base. work on the clinch and putting your weight on them.
also be ready to move into side control if you can keep mount. much better than getting put back in guard.
id even suggest working on other attacks from mount. gangster lean, s mount etc. if nothing else this will mean they arent sure what you will do and they will have more to worry about when your mounting them.
andrew, i know exactly what you're talking about. lets say i'm in skydive, and i am trying to get his left arm up. i'm using my right arm to walk my fingers up to get head and armpit control. my LEFT arm is around his head/neck. the opponent will bridge hard to his right, getting the reversal (i don't think that's considered a sweep, just reversal.) is that what you're talking about?
if so, i have been having similar troubles, my only way of countering it is to anticipate that bridge and to let get of the head and base out with my left arm, but then that means i have to bail on the arm triangle attempts because he'll do the same thing over and over. so lately i've been doing two on one and trying to work kimuras and arm bars from mount.
but yeah, i am curious to know if anyone has any solutions to that problem. am i not applying enough shoulder pressure on his face/head? should my left hand already be grabbing his armpit so that i give him no space to even use his head to bridge?
Post with your leg. Seems to do the trick for me. I've learned that you have 5 posts. 2 legs, 2 arms, one head. You can only get swept 4 ways. Left, right, over forward, or backward. When you go for head and arm, you're taking away your arm as a post for that side so you need to make another post available to stabilize that side. If I go for head and arm with my right arm behind the head, I keep my right leg ready to post if they buck. And if they buck, it should make getting your head deep for the katagatame even easier.
This,Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
the longer you can ride a position, the longer the person on bottoms going to feel helpless. The mounted arm triangle is a move that in my opinion you grind out and crush your opponents will on the way to submitting him. Rarely do i "snatch" up arm triangles, but I have to set them up from a long ways out, isolating the arm, grinding my way into position, smashing with good pressure, and by that time the squeeze comes super easy, eddies arm triangle is one of the nastiest I've ever felt, followed closely by Brandon's, Johnny Ho's and Geo is surprisingly deceptive because he's a 145'r and he squeezes like a heavyweight, he also posts on his head every time you try and buck him off, or shrimp out or attempt to throw his balance off. (goodLuckwiththat lol)
”The important thing in strategy is to suppress the enemy's useful actions but allow his useless actions”Quote:
Originally Posted by John Mejia
― Miyamoto Musashi, A Book of Five Rings: The Classic Guide to Strategy
watch Rener use those hooks from mount. BJJ 101
sign up for free trial @ Gracie U. Watch lesson 3 slice 2. Pay close attention to legs.
:D :D Musashi ftwQuote:
Originally Posted by Joachim Hoff
Are you getting swept to the side the arm triangle choke is on? I don't like to lock my hands until after I pass to the side the choke is on because of how easy it is for them to sweep you from mount. I just grab the inside of his arm pit, keep my head to floor and close to their head and leave my other hand free to post. I finish the arm triangle without even locking my hands about 20% of the time.
You can always try to time the bridge and lock your legs underneath his back for an anaconda-like mount. Has worked for me, sounds a little weird though.
Actually I can't really remember if I'm high or not, I keep getting worried that he puts his arm underneath my leg when Im up too high, especially with my knees pointing out (I got that trick from youtube, works well on newbies who try to bridge and sweep( I forget what the sweep is called, i know its not upa but it looks similar) ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Carbone
Just that should help a little. I don't remember what chopping block is, I guess Ill have to revisit the dvd again but it sounds very familiar. I feel like once I get his arm up i should move right away to the side and that's what I used to do when I was doing it the old school way. But eddie says to wait a bit before moving. His way must be better and I guess it makes it more unpredictable as well. Probably tests out if your position is good as well.
But thanks for responding, I really appreciate it from all of you to help out a non 10p member like myself.
true, I forgot about that technique. But never thought of using it for that. I saw it as a submission on submissions 101 a long time ago. Some kind of sambo leg lock. thx!Quote:
Originally Posted by Joachim Hoff
yes I meant reversal, sorry lol. I dont know why I said sweep. I know I should go for other stuff after that but Im stuburn, I want to be able to do the technique I want to do even if he knows that's what Im going for, but.. I guess that's probably black belt quality JJ and Im not there yet lol. But it would be nice to know the little details to get this basic choke to work from mount!Quote:
Originally Posted by marc luu
If a guy manages to put his arm underneath your leg then he would be putting himself into a mounted triangle, which would be fine by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Sarasin
Ive been taught to hold the chopping block position to wear out the opponents arm before you go for the choke.
really, shrimp out. I'de like to see that. I'm a bit confused though. but thxQuote:
Originally Posted by John Mejia
k, I'll take your word for it. Sounds like your second paragraph something eddie said word for word in his dvd mastering the twister lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Carbone
But what do you think about that sambo move that Joachim Hoff was talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Carbone
If you're talking about just extending the legs, that might keep them down for a second but as soon as you let go they can go right back to bridging. I suppose it would be good if your up on points and going for the win or if you want to tire them out before attacking. I personally would rather be more offensive and try to control them up high. They cant bridge one way because you can post with your hand, and if they bridge the other way they expose their back or leave themselves vulnerable to an armbar, spiderweb position, cobra control, etc.... Whether your up high on them or down low, you can still get swept. I'd rather get swept with options. Just my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Sarasin
Need more cowbell
i would try dog walking or checkers.. bjj not for you
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Originally Posted by einstein
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Originally Posted by Brent Smith
The 2 best answers so far! Lol.
"Position before submission". Make sure you maintain mount before progressing forward. We just discussed this in the leglock thread about leglocks and even a RNC. Skydive mount with a chopping block grip should be nasty enough to hold anyone in the world down for a bit at least. Take your time and work your control. Lots of beginners (even me still) get all excited when they get a sub and dive in head first on it and lose all positioning, which is the only reason that sub came available I'm the first place.. ;)
what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith