Jon jones

whats up with soo many of the other fighters giving jonny boy a bad rap and saying hes ducking everyone worse than the middleweight division ducked "TRT" vitor? i mean i understand he can be a bit of a douche but i dont expect him to be giving me flowers before he picks me up for prom, i want him to go out and smash guys faces in. which is what he has been doing (excluding the real champ alexander gustaffson)

putting aside his last fight, jones has dominated everyone, has pushed through smoe big challenges (vitor armbar, sonnen toe break) he doesnt really ever go to a decision and he fights a bunch of former champions. hes set up to fight imo the second most dangerous guy that he could fight and people are saying that he is ducking fights?

im annoyed that im going to have to wait for gustaffson vs jones 2 for a bit longer but im not normally a big fan of instant rematches anyway and i just cant figure out where people are coming from.

I'm surprised he agreed to the rematch. Very ready to see t.

people love to hate on jon jones, but hes an animal lol. I also think gustaffson is gonna get mopped in a rematch.

I think it's cos it seems unfair. Look at him in the cage with almost all 205ers (except Gus) and he looks like he's in a different division. Add that to his natural athleticism and ability and it seems like he's cheating or something. It makes me wanna root for the underdog anyway.

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Originally Posted by Isaac Atley

whats up with soo many of the other fighters giving jonny boy a bad rap and saying hes ducking everyone worse than the middleweight division ducked "TRT" vitor? i mean i understand he can be a bit of a douche but i dont expect him to be giving me flowers before he picks me up for prom, i want him to go out and smash guys faces in. which is what he has been doing (excluding the real champ alexander gustaffson)

putting aside his last fight, jones has dominated everyone, has pushed through smoe big challenges (vitor armbar, sonnen toe break) he doesnt really ever go to a decision and he fights a bunch of former champions. hes set up to fight imo the second most dangerous guy that he could fight and people are saying that he is ducking fights?

im annoyed that im going to have to wait for gustaffson vs jones 2 for a bit longer but im not normally a big fan of instant rematches anyway and i just cant figure out where people are coming from.

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Jones kind of does it to himself. He keeps complaining that guys are having easy fights on their way to the title shot, but he's had to fight a murderers row back to back to back. I can understand his point. But it does sound like he wants to avoid certain fighters or having to fight super tough fights back to back.

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Originally Posted by Pan

I think it's cos it seems unfair. Look at him in the cage with almost all 205ers (except Gus) and he looks like he's in a different division. Add that to his natural athleticism and ability and it seems like he's cheating or something. It makes me wanna root for the underdog anyway.

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Bad logic man. There are tons of guys who have size and reach advantages. That's all it is. An advantage. It's not an unfair advantage. Mike Tyson was always undersized. It's just an advantage. Jones is a big LHW, but he's def not built for HW. The same way GSP is a big WW, but he'd be a small MW.

Like I said, there are tons of guys with size/reach advantages that aren't champs. To insinuate that Jones is champ because of his size ignores his actual skill and it ignores the tons of guys with size advantage that aren't champs.

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Originally Posted by Isaac Atley

whats up with soo many of the other fighters giving jonny boy a bad rap and saying hes ducking everyone worse than the middleweight division ducked "TRT" vitor? i mean i understand he can be a bit of a douche but i dont expect him to be giving me flowers before he picks me up for prom, i want him to go out and smash guys faces in. which is what he has been doing (excluding the real champ alexander gustaffson)

putting aside his last fight, jones has dominated everyone, has pushed through smoe big challenges (vitor armbar, sonnen toe break) he doesnt really ever go to a decision and he fights a bunch of former champions. hes set up to fight imo the second most dangerous guy that he could fight and people are saying that he is ducking fights?

im annoyed that im going to have to wait for gustaffson vs jones 2 for a bit longer but im not normally a big fan of instant rematches anyway and i just cant figure out where people are coming from.

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You're going to have to wait for a Jones/Gus rematch even longer because Jones is losing his title April 26th.

I used to be a Jones fan but the guy comes across so fake and he's been outed as a phony too. I can't deny the guy has major skills but regardless if you're going to be a hero or a heel don't be fake.

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Originally Posted by Pan

I think it's cos it seems unfair. Look at him in the cage with almost all 205ers (except Gus) and he looks like he's in a different division. Add that to his natural athleticism and ability and it seems like he's cheating or something. It makes me wanna root for the underdog anyway.

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Man I hate that logic. Jones makes the weight everytime so regardless if he has Dhalsim arms he's playing by the rules (except against Hammil).

Jones is naturally athletic. The length does make a difference when added to the athleticism. We've had fighters that knock people out numerous times bc of this combo...they didn't all have the best technical skills. Now, that being said, jones is young and his technical skills are still being developed. He has mad potential to be a monster. I'm not a fan of his attitude. But w/e people think Rhonda is a b, but I don't, on top of that she has mad skills.

So..I suppose it's some what perspective. But I don't feel he's the best fighter he could be and I also feel like he could show a little more sportsmanship.

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

Man I hate that logic. Jones makes the weight everytime so regardless if he has Dhalsim arms he's playing by the rules (except against Hammil).

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

Bad logic man. There are tons of guys who have size and reach advantages. That's all it is. An advantage. It's not an unfair advantage. Mike Tyson was always undersized. It's just an advantage. Jones is a big LHW, but he's def not built for HW. The same way GSP is a big WW, but he'd be a small MW.

Like I said, there are tons of guys with size/reach advantages that aren't champs. To insinuate that Jones is champ because of his size ignores his actual skill and it ignores the tons of guys with size advantage that aren't champs.

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I agree with the bad logic call, but I'm not saying he's actually cheating or he became champ JUST by having long arms and legs. Alls I'm saying is when most people have tried to strike with him it looked too easy for him and it made me want the other guy to win. He outstruck opponents partly by using his reach advantage like he should and anyone with an advantage should (I'm obviously not against people using natural advantages within the rules), and by training hard, being disciplined etc...
I guess I instinctively like the underdog more. Also the fake schtick was somewhat offputting. I don't care too much about him either way to be honest. Definitely not a Jones hater, but I don't feel compelled to want him to win. I'm absolutely compelled to watch him fight though.

I wish we could recall the first forum. I predicted he'd be champ in his debut vs Bonnar. He is a scary scary dude. Period.

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

I wish we could recall the first forum. I predicted he'd be champ in his debut vs Bonnar. He is a scary scary dude. Period.

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He really has had some of the most impressive performances. Beating the piss out of Shogun to get the belt. Choking both Rampage and Machida. Not to mention that fight with Bonnard when he was still green. I respect his skills but don't like him much.

it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside that soooo many people seem to want a champion who isnt jsut amazing in the cage but a gentleman outside the cage but i mean honestly, were talking about a guy who goes in and destroys people that have trained for years if not decades. now gsp was a gentleman still is i imagine, but at the highest level of competition he could not destroy people.

other side of it is that jones is what? 25 years old? hes been champion for 3 years? he went from a average life where he was barely an adult, practically no money, just getting through college and then baby comes along, and he starts fighting, and he finds that he is spectacularly talented in one of the most primitive basic and challenging forms of compeition (i dont mean primitive in a bad way either btw)

not only that but he starts getting money coming out his ears, girls want to be with him, guys want to be him or beat him, and people are always asking questions about him so hes constantly talking about himself.

now if i was in his position, id be going through a lot of philosophical ideas and id be trying to figure out how this all happened. id be adjusting to all these new things and trying to do what i think is right.

while hes trying to adjsut, he has media in his face all the time, twisting anything he says. (gsp club incident) and now he has to be careful about anything he says and does. sure most of the things weve picked up were stupid but honestly i really dont think id have done much better. and if i cant expect myself to do much better then why should i expect him to?

therefore i say, who cares if hes a douche now and again, the reason im watching him is to see him fight, as long as he contonues to fight like he does then im happy.

and brent, should we lay some bets down on jones vs glover?

I won't do money but am more than willing to a speed drill bet. 200 leg drag passes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AFgC...e_gdata_player

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

I won't do money but am more than willing to a speed drill bet. 200 leg drag passes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AFgCf-WkNg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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id say more than 200 but finding someone here that was actually willing to sit there for so many would be difficult.

not that ill have to do them anyway cos jones aint losing but deal.

need video proof, done in one session. no breaks. clean technique only. bad technique doesnt count. deal?

Oh I've done this drill and 200 will kill. Perfect technique. Hop in, leg drag, hop out, hop in opposite side, leg drag, rinse and repeat

200 total. Filmed and posted within 30 days