The ultimate chokes thread.

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03-24-2014, 04:44 PM
Isaac Atley

The ultimate chokes thread.

I love my chokes, my entire game is based around them, but especially after watching scott show the different hand positions etc on woulda coulda shoulda. i was wondering how many different techniques people have for their chokes.

for instance, if i get the guillotine in deep, instead of joining my hands up, ill go into a RNC control and pull up with the bottom arm and down on the back of the head with the top arm.

when i get the RNC ill try and get the hand thats locking it in (not the choking arm) lower near the neck but if for some reason i cant, ill cup their head and get some added neck crank pressure on them.

my favourite choke ive been getting lately is the choke off the omoplata. when i get the omoplata, im sitting in jiu claw, i like to do what marcelo does and get my near (next to opponent while in jiu claw) arm under their far arm. the other arm hooks around their neck, when i feel like i have control, ill release the shoulder control and join my hands together and pull my near arm through and choke.

give your opinions and variants. id love to improve my choking game even more.
03-24-2014, 05:12 PM
10thToad

I like to ninja choke up on a bitch like a creature comin' out of the black lagoon .... Keepin' it toady!
03-24-2014, 07:47 PM
Dpoland

Since this is the chokes thread, can anyone give more details on the ninja choke, I understand the setup is the same as the D'arce, and you hook a leg to half guard and dive on top but are you pulling your vice grip in a specific direction?
03-24-2014, 10:44 PM
Tori Applegate

I've been diggin' the Marcelotine lately. I've been seeing it a lot. Anytime someone pokes their head out an inch or two too far..if I'm halfway through a pass and they poke their head up. I also really like the Japanese Necktie...Also good when passing or in top half...

Also, really liking the arm triangles. Made myself start doing them all technique, no strength..makes a huge difference in the choke.
03-25-2014, 12:51 AM
Isaac Atley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tori Applegate

I've been diggin' the Marcelotine lately. I've been seeing it a lot. Anytime someone pokes their head out an inch or two too far..if I'm halfway through a pass and they poke their head up. I also really like the Japanese Necktie...Also good when passing or in top half...

Also, really liking the arm triangles. Made myself start doing them all technique, no strength..makes a huge difference in the choke.

i love me some marcelotines :) any passes in particular, youre finding it on? i find i usually catch it as i recover full guard
or in scrambles. what position are your legs in when you are doing the arm triangle? i know of five so far, (side, KOB, knee on sternum, mount guard, and i saw this crazy one where the dude mounted with the arm triangle and had both his feet on the guys hips and pressed his shoulder down. what do you find best?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dpoland

Since this is the chokes thread, can anyone give more details on the ninja choke, I understand the setup is the same as the D'arce, and you hook a leg to half guard and dive on top but are you pulling your vice grip in a specific direction?

as far as im aware, a ninja choke has about 5 different names ive heard of, ive had it explained to me as a no arm d'arce which is why i really like it. because it feels pretty loose but its actually mega tight. you can get the ninja choke from a variety of different positions. i believe eddie says that its his defense to the capoiera pass but i personally go for it from guard, scrambles or when i have them turtled. when i have them turtled id rather go for the d'arce, jsut out of habit and it works better with the jap neck tie. you should watch scott epteins video he posted a while back about some of his fave moves which involved joining d'arces and JNTs and sexy spahts.

as far as im aware, with the ninja choke, you want to be choking them with the bony part of your forearm, nearest your wrist. at least thats what ive been told, can anyone verify that?
03-25-2014, 06:58 AM
Dylan Ehrnreiter

I've been catching an arm triangle anytime my partner kicks out of my truck and turns to roll away. I've been a huge fan of bottom arm triangles for a while and Eddie covered them from lockdown at his last Indy seminar, helping me with some crucial details.
03-25-2014, 09:24 AM
Tori Applegate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan Ehrnreiter

I've been catching an arm triangle anytime my partner kicks out of my truck and turns to roll away. I've been a huge fan of bottom arm triangles for a while and Eddie covered them from lockdown at his last Indy seminar, helping me with some crucial details.

You can do the same if your opponent is escaping the back mount. As you feel them shrimp out, turn and get on your knees. There it is.

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Originally Posted by Isaac Atley

i love me some marcelotines :) any passes in particular, youre finding it on? i find i usually catch it as i recover full guard
or in scrambles. what position are your legs in when you are doing the arm triangle? i know of five so far, (side, KOB, knee on sternum, mount guard, and i saw this crazy one where the dude mounted with the arm triangle and had both his feet on the guys hips and pressed his shoulder down. what do you find best?

Been finding them when someone tries to play Z guard, in the knee slice pass, if I'm in top half sometimes it's there as I'm trying to pass. It's everywhere.

I do mine..idk it's like a combo of most of the ones I've seen. I can jailbreak my way put of a lot of people's arm triangles so..I don't want people doing that to me. I do my arm triangle with a gable grip and pushing my head into theirs. As far as my feet go...I have the leg closest to the head posted out..the other knee tight to the hip but there's no space between my calf and thigh. I kind sit down to eliminate the space..sometimes I'll get that knee under their back. And if that fails..Kimura grip to arm bar.
03-25-2014, 10:10 AM
Chad Clark

N/S choke is my favorite choke right now, especially if it's 100% technique with no added squeeze. I've also been looking into mounted guillotines. Havn't had much luck with RNC's lately, especially against giants, but I have been going back to the short choke (gable grip and scoop your radial bone into the throat). May not be as pretty, but can still get the tap.
03-25-2014, 10:32 AM
David Rosado

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dpoland

Since this is the chokes thread, can anyone give more details on the ninja choke, I understand the setup is the same as the D'arce, and you hook a leg to half guard and dive on top but are you pulling your vice grip in a specific direction?

you mean the japanese necktie?
03-25-2014, 11:11 AM
John Mejia

Steady Darce-in'
03-25-2014, 11:29 AM
Brent Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw2xfELw4wc&sns=em

My favorite choke to go for. Works perfect off my knee slice pass system.
03-25-2014, 11:47 AM
Alberto Moya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Clark

N/S choke is my favorite choke right now, especially if it's 100% technique with no added squeeze. I've also been looking into mounted guillotines. Havn't had much luck with RNC's lately, especially against giants, but I have been going back to the short choke (gable grip and scoop your radial bone into the throat). May not be as pretty, but can still get the tap.

Do you get people with/without the arm in more? I get the arm in n/s choke ALOT more, Yes, once i finally broke it down 100% technique no squeeze at all!
03-25-2014, 04:08 PM
Gray

The Rafaconda is great. I find myself going for the d'arce from the roll through, mostly because of familiarity. I mean, worst case scenario with it is ending up top front headlock.
03-25-2014, 04:39 PM
Isaac Atley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Clark

N/S choke is my favorite choke right now, especially if it's 100% technique with no added squeeze. I've also been looking into mounted guillotines. Havn't had much luck with RNC's lately, especially against giants, but I have been going back to the short choke (gable grip and scoop your radial bone into the throat). May not be as pretty, but can still get the tap.

i just saw a video from Marcelo garcia last night. entry into N/S choke from KOB. if your on their left side. you have the left knee on belly, left arm posted on the ground to block their far hip and then right arm on the near side of their head to control their movement there. you want to stay balanced and then when you feel them push the knee away you fall on your right hip and your right arm goes for the choke. then you want to have your left arm ready to catch their legs when they spin round. throw them back, switch your legs and when you have space connect your hands and drop your shoulder.

absolutely legit.
03-25-2014, 05:10 PM
Isaac Atley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brent Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw2xfELw4wc&sns=em

My favorite choke to go for. Works perfect off my knee slice pass system.

awesome choke, seems like id need to put a lot of reps into it but i like it, seems to be a really good choke against guys with super long limbs
03-25-2014, 07:39 PM
Dpoland

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Rosado

you mean the japanese necktie?

Yes sir, I'm wrong, ninja choke is off of chill dog
03-25-2014, 07:46 PM
Brent Smith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac Atley

awesome choke, seems like id need to put a lot of reps into it but i like it, seems to be a really good choke against guys with super long limbs

You'd be surprised how easy it is to crush the arm down and lock this up. Anytime I get the head and arm I go for this type of set up
03-25-2014, 08:11 PM
Isaac Atley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dpoland

Yes sir, I'm wrong, ninja choke is off of chill dog

ninja choke is a type of choke but it doesnt necessarily have to come from chill dog.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brent Smith

You'd be surprised how easy it is to crush the arm down and lock this up. Anytime I get the head and arm I go for this type of set up

ill see if i can get it tonight :D
03-26-2014, 12:57 AM
Spencer Brown

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brent Smith

You'd be surprised how easy it is to crush the arm down and lock this up. Anytime I get the head and arm I go for this type of set up

I can confirm this statement
03-26-2014, 01:19 AM
Brandon Mccaghren

Punch choke. Maybe 50% of my subs right now are punch chokes.
03-26-2014, 03:26 PM
Brent Smith

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spencer Brown

I can confirm this statement

:)
03-26-2014, 05:09 PM
rickdawson

My Top 5:

#1- Triangle (Tried and True)
#2- Marce
#3- Darce
#4- Denny's Guillotine (Just learned it last week... catching dudes slippin with it)
#5- Gogoplata
03-27-2014, 08:34 AM
Chad Clark

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alberto Moya

Do you get people with/without the arm in more? I get the arm in n/s choke ALOT more, Yes, once i finally broke it down 100% technique no squeeze at all!

Arm out for me. If the arm is in I'll try can crusher, and if that isn't happening I'll try to either set up a grapevine and twister roll or mount.