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How long until we see the story of him getting surgery? Will he go to Brazil to hide it? Will he wait a few months for the smoke to clear? Will he smoke weed for the pain until surgery? And what will his excuse be? He hurt it after metamoris, or it was an existing injury, that he fought with that's why Eddie dominated...
Lol!
We won't hear nothing. I'm actually not sure he's hurt. I don't know what kind of damage those submissions can do if you don't tap. I don't know if Eddie took it to the point of damage. And if he did, I think it'll make about as much of a ripple as it did when I went to the doctor to get a better prescription for eczema cream.
yeah, I'll be that guy. :)
Has anyone ever been injured from a vaporizer that went too far?
I think anything that pops 7 times isn't a good thing, and there's most likely some damage.
From Wikipedia:Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshua Jarboe
A compression lock, a muscle lock, muscle slicer or muscle crusher, is a grappling hold which causes severe pain by pressing a muscle into a bone. A compression lock can cause a joint lock in a nearby joint when it is applied by squeezing a limb over a fulcrum. A forceful compression lock may damage muscles and tendons, and if accompanied by a joint lock, may also result in torn ligaments, dislocation or bone fractures.
Eddie was also cranking on a toe hold at times.
Maybe I'm just catching up, but where are you getting "pops 7 times?"Quote:
Originally Posted by JAMESsmith
There's a part of me that wants to believe that Royler is paying for his arrogance.
It's not a very nice part. But it's a pretty Just part. ;)
I got 7x from a reliable source who talked to Eddie. The vaporizer is a leg lock as well bc of how it tweaks the knee. He's done.
Eddie said the "7 times" thing himself, a bunch of times.
as far as im aware the manipulation of the joints when doing a crush or slice like the vaporizer is stretching the joint in the opposite direction of things like a armbar, kneebar. instead of making the limb go in a direction it cant normally go you are putting something in the way of where it normally goes to increase the pressure.
the result of this is more often a lot more severe when damage occurs because as far as im aware it snaps things in the joint at a lot more points. youre pushing not only the joint but generally the ligiments and muscles to their utmost limit and then pushing further.
adding a toe hold of some kind which twists the ligiments knee joint and muscles adds even more pressure to it because t applies pressure to the knee at various angles aswell.
the popping sounds alone arnt really all conclusive of a damaged leg. the popping sound is generally gases and the synovial fluid between the joints
aside from the last bit which ive looked up and found scientific articles about before, the rest is just my opinion and im not sure about it.
http://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/joint.html
Eddie said it on EBR, and JREQuote:
Originally Posted by Joshua Jarboe
I will say this: when my knee popped during a reverse heel hook, by a guy who cranked too hard and fast, it was not gasses. It was my LCL being damaged. It popped loud and hurt bad, and that wasn't even a serious one. If Eddie says he heard his knee pop seven times, I'm going to assume there's some kind of damage. Not to mention that 5 Rounds breakdown where they show the bone or whatever popping out of Royler's leg.
Take a crow bar an stick it in a door on the hinge side. Now close the door as hard as you can. What happens? The door itself gets damaged (your calf muscle) as well as the hinges pop out (your knee ligament and capsule). Thats what it does to a knee.
Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Walker
Ok, so it popped 7 times and he may be badly hurt. You know what? If he's badly hurt, I think that's stupid. It's not brave, it's stupid and arrogant.
I've heard it said that there is no losing in jiu jitsu. "You either win or you learn." I looked it up and it's attributed to Grand Master Carlos Gracie Sr.
So what's it mean about a dude if he loses 10 years ago, doesn't adapt his style, doesn't learn anything about how to beat the lockdown, doesn't learn anything about how to beat rubber guard...what's it mean if that same guy goes out 10 years later, refuses to tap and gets himself badly hurt?
It's just stubborn.
It involves honor and pride. I wouldn't have tapped if I were in his shoes, and I'm glad he didn't. Ya'll may give him smack, but he's a fighter through and through.
Too proud to learn? I never want to be that proud.
I have personally torn apart knees with slicers, I know I can be done. I'm certain roylers leg is jacked..
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Originally Posted by Ross Davidson
im not saying that ther wasnt any damage down. im just saying that thats what the noises are. you can always hve the noises and damage :) but having the noise doesnt imply that there is damage.