Being the smallest dude at my gym, guys pretty much try to smother me. I'm thinking that lifting weights would help with things, such as whip ups. I just don't know if there's any specific exercises I should incorporate.
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Being the smallest dude at my gym, guys pretty much try to smother me. I'm thinking that lifting weights would help with things, such as whip ups. I just don't know if there's any specific exercises I should incorporate.
Just some basics:
Hanging knee raises
Adductor squeeze
Hamstring curls
Rows/Pullups
I do fine. No weight training. Just tons of Jiu jitsu. You've seen how small I am. And dude, you're not that small. Lol.
The big four work for pretty much anyone: bench, squat, overhead press, deadlift
Kettlebell stuff like turkish getups are pretty good. Pullups are always crafty.
Trust me, Tori, I'm a dwarf compared to the guys I train with. They straight up smother me with their weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tori Applegate
Thanks guys, keep em comin'! And, Chad, those were never a question--football ingrained those in my mind.
I sit a 35lbs kettlebell or two 25 lb dumbbells on my stomach area while I do dumbbell presses (on the floor) or just breath in and out with the weights on there. You have to experiment with getting them to stay on your stomach. Kettle bells and olympic lifts are the shit imo. But you have to get instruction before doing either of those exercise. Lots of jits definitely changes your body at first but like Eddie has said recently, you have to lift the heavy weights to really be strong.
Also dont get smashed, dont be flat.
Bicep curls, shrugs, and calf raises. All you'll ever need.
Oly lifts are great. Used to do a lot of them. I just wonder if there's any other coordinative exercises specific to our 10p games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
As for trying to not be smashed, can't help it sometimes. They're just too strong lol
Just for future reference - when a girl says you're not that small it means that you areQuote:
Originally Posted by Tori Applegate
:D
BahhahahahahahahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Marty McLaren
I DO know what you're saying BUT I dont think caio terra has much problem getting smashed.
JJ is the apex activity for increasing jiu jitsu skill, for sure. But I'm looking to add anything that will aid me in my training.
sissy and regular squats for a tight lock down.
Cocaine and hookers? Seems to be the go-to response...
Learn to move your body better. I used to get super smashed. We have a ton of guys around 190. Lots of good people in the gym..killers. You will still get smashed for a while, but it's worth the time. Focus on moving, making space, recovering guard, basically transitioning from position to position. I still have some trouble sometimes, but not as much anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross Davidson
Wrong Marty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty McLaren
What do you weigh anyway Ross?
Doesn't matter your size either way. You can be a beast no matter what. Just focus. :-D I almost never fight someone my size. So what. Be determined, be focused, and MOVE.
I'm 140 pounds and regularly roll against guys who have 50, 80, sometimes even a hundred pound weight difference and I can handle myself. I lift no weights, just train BJJ. If your technique improves, you won't have to be super strong to be effective. Being small, you need to develop a game that's effective against larger opponents. Even if you're strong, you're still going to be way weaker against a guy who's 50 pounds bigger and in shape. Marcelotines, deep half guard, butterfly guard, rncs, triangles, etc. Find techniques that work with your body and can be effective against guys no matter how big they are.
Watch Marcelo Garcia
What cycle of steroids are you currently using?
If the answer is none, there's your problem. Gainz bruh. Gainz
I weigh 155, regularly roll with people 200+. I completely understand the "I need to get better at jiu jitsu" idea. I'm just a white belt. I also completely abandoned weight lifting when I made the switch from football to jiu jitsu. I fucking HATE lifting weights. But even Eddie says that he's been lifting weights the past few years and that he'll never stop (said that on the podcast, can't remember which one).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tori Applegate
I'm just looking to help my jiu jitsu in anyway I can. I've started doing hybrid workouts of ginastica natural, yoga, floor gymnastics, and animal crawls which have all greatly improved my passing (I've been pulling off legit passes on my instructor, few and far between, but when it happens they're legit). So if there's anything I can do to help increase the raw material for my body to perform the jiu jitsu I'm learning, I'm going to do it.
I just need to know if there's any specific exercises you all do for our 10P specifics ;)
Strength mainly counts when you get up to a high level. Like Andre Galvao. Super high level jj..crossfit beast... Anything to increase your flexibility is awesome. And hip strength is huge to me in my personal game. But you can get that from shrimping and hardcore reps on sweeps and transitions etc.
Ross, you only have so much time. What are your jj goals so we can better assist you in the best route?
There are a million different things you can do. I like hindu squats and hindu push ups, back bridging, table makers etc. I also like to lift and swim, or do different type of sprint workouts, kettlebells. I just change it up. Working on my cardio has been very helpful for me. I have terrible asthma so I need all the help I can get. Cardio is huge! The biggest reason for strength training, in my opinion, is it helps prevent injuries. I think everyone should resistance train, jiu jitsu or no.
this is comin from a guy whos "exercise growing up was bmx and smoking, so take that into account. Also i fight mma mostly these days. But ive been using westside barbell methods, like going crazy on box jumps to produce better deadlifts and squats which in turn produce better overall strength for the ol legs and trunk which makes lock downs, any motion in which lockdown is applied, dudas, bi cep crush from spider web just.....RUTHLESS. My opinion on weight training changed when i seen pablo papovitch wether natrual or not i would not want to defend a rnc from him with those guns. DISCLAIMER I match my lifts with cardio i.e. if i go nuts with lifts i go nuts with the battle ropes, also i stretch like crazy afterwards cuz i am scared to death of losing flexibility
If someone is just rolling at the gym I guess I could understand only using that to stay in shape and work on technique. But if someone is gonna compete I don't see how it makes sense to not lift/strength train. Certain muscles aren't going to get enough work from just rolling. Then when you need that extra strength or muscle endurance, its not gonna be there. Not to mention, weight lifting strengthens your bones, tendons, and ligaments.
So what I've gathered is that anaerobic cardio (sprints, battle ropes, etc) should be number one. Then I should implement the big four (press, bench, squat, DL) and things to supplement those. And I also need to have full body, core focused exercises like knees to elbows and ghd sit ups and oly lifts.
So basically I should start up my old training program from the good ole pigskin days....... I hate my life......... ;)
Yo Ross, totally random, but when I see you post on Facebook, on a BJJ page, I'm like, "Hey, I know that guy..."
The answer is jiujitsu. Just like tori said. Barncat teaches at a college. He has to deal with college level football players in a regular basis. 260lb dudes with 4.4sec 40's and benching a small car. And the skinny weak little Barncat storms through them every time. I guarantee you, I'll bet my paycheck, you are stronger than Barncat. Tori has the idea. Jiujitsu was designed to be the superior athlete.. :)
*Designed to beat.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Ray
I think early in your Jiu Jitsu journey, strength is a detriment to your technique. It can make you sloppy if you're not careful.
I'm certainly not an accomplished athlete, so take this for what it's worth, one white belt dude's opinion:
I started with Muay Thai in 2003 and got wrapped up into Crossfit shortly after (early days, lie 2005). Eventually I got so sucked up into it that I started dropping days at Muay Thai and eventually stopped all together. I got strong, but I would trade every second of olympic lifting and kettlebell swinging I did for time on the mat if I could.
I would say never switch a day of rolling for a day of lifting if that's the choice. When I do multiple workouts these days, it's always Jiu-Jitsu and Ashtanga Yoga. I've found that yogic breathing is actually super effective for when some big dude is laying on you (I'm 155 lbs too) and the flexibility I have has paid off way more than strength.
Two separate thought camps I suppose. I have no intention of making "gains" or "bulking up". I used to weigh185 power lifting and doing cross fit workouts for my fore-mentioned sport of origination. Since abandoning the weight room I've dropped 30lbs, am still strong, and have lots more flexibility and functional strength. Also, I love jiu jitsu too much to ever skip it to lift weights. I find lifting to be mind numbingly boring and strenuous on my CNS to the point of exhaustion.
However, I have experienced the benefits of simple supplementation, also mentioned earlier. And seeing as how I have a good bit of experience when it comes to weight training, I've made the decision to add some extra supplementation. You can try to convince me not to, but I'm going to do it anyway ;)
Thanks for all the advice though, on both sides of the coin.
This is why I said what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffin Lambert
This is what my husband/instructor told me when I wanted to start training Crossfit. But then I would be too tired to put 100% into my jj. I tried it to see if I could do two days of crossfit on top of my 4 jj days...I didn't replace the time, but my jj suffered so bad for those two weeks.. Instead of getting like 30 or so reps on each thing during class I'd get like ten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Lott
Also, I just want to say this. You can always work harder/go harder in jj. Every time I think I've reached my limit, I find I can push way harder. Be stronger in Jiu jitsu. Tom said he thinks if you compete you should weight train. I think you shouldn't even think about that until around purple belt. I push myself to do more rounds. To feel like the situation is urgent. To move. To not quit when I feel like puking. To get elbowed an keep going. To be smothered and not panic, and move.
Get stronger in every position. Get strong in your defense. Get strong in Jiu Jitsu Ross.mAnd if you weight train and end up giving 50% in class, stop immediately. It's not worth it to hinder your progress for weights. Trust me. A lot of us have tried it at our school. There's no point until you're high level. I can't stress it enough. Spend 30 mins before class strength training your brain w videos and Eddie's books. Strengthen your mind, it goes hand in hand with your jj.
I can see the benefit mentioned earlier that if you don't lift you're going to be smaller and weaker than your opponent which forces you to use technique more. There's definitely some truth in that. Because im bigger and stronger than many of the people in the gym I feel like I tire myself out before I roll which has the same effect mentioned earlier about having to use technique more, except I have that strength when I need it in tournaments. It also prevents me being a fatty again ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tori Applegate
I heard people say many times that all the workout you need is from JJ class which I don't totally understand. I may get an ok cardio workout from rolling but its nowhere near what I can be pushed to from a crossfit class or weight lifting session. Maybe if I went 100% I could get a little better workout from rolling but then I would just be using strength more instead of technique which defeats the purpose. I feel like if someone waited until they were a purple belt to start strength training then they would be years behind in building up the strength the could have had. I don't think anyone is wrong for doing it, everyone is free to make their own choices, I just couldn't imagine doing it myself. To me, that's like saying you shouldn't work on your flexibility until your a purple belt because it will help you focus on proper technique more.
I lift mainly to build a stronger posture, balance my physique and increase my stability. Everyone's needs are different. I found the article online 'Neanderthal No More' to be a great resource. Poor posture and muscular disbalance led to shoulder and lower back injuries before I really started paying attention to it.
Alright but Barncat is a good purple belt and these college football guys are new white belts. Even I can tap the dudes you are describing but after a couple months of them training, I would have to survive until they get tired or catch them with something tricky to ever tap them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Ray
Does Barncat tap 200+lbs purple belts?
Ok but jumping into crossfit is maybe not what you want to do if you want to avoid being so sore that you cant get a good jj practice in. Isn't there a level of strength training you can do with out making yourself so sore you loose 2/3 of your reps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tori Applegate
A lot of guys here are bashing weights, even though Master Eddie has professed weight training himself.
Although I am not as petite as you, I am smaller than most guys in our club and I started lifting a year an a half ago because I felt too weak to hold my own against them.
There is no denying that I am stronger now and it helps when I roll. My BJJ game is tighter now than it was when I first started lifting, but I know for a fact that I have a much higher percentage clinch game and better shrimping/escape game because of lifting.
Lifting weights is one of the absolute best exercises you can do for your body. If has so many countless positive effects on every aspect of your metabolic process, your hormonal levels, chemical balances, etc etc.
I am just reading an absolutely mind-blowing book that destroys conventional thinking on cardio/aerobic conditioning and weight training. If you want to do yourself a serious favor, go get "Body by Science" and read that. You will find a lot of people are wasting time with a lot of unecessary S&C stuff, etc.
+1 -- although I'd probably add 'on a consistent basis' to the end of this. Gotta hespetch the Nibiru Warrior of the Year!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
There is no arguing that barbell glute bridges don't make your upa escape a lot stronger or at least makes lockdown recovery a whole lot easier.
Yeah, that is what I meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross Davidson
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Originally Posted by Marty McLaren
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