The legs ?

I just recently joined a local(ish) Gracie team after a couple of years just rolling with friends being self taught. That said I've noticed quite a lot while being there. Because we had no concept of injury and no ego we always have done as many leg locks as we can and I've developed almost my entire game around them.now being a lowly white belt they are not allowed, which in itself I can kinda understand for safety reasons but while rolling with the blues and even purples I noticed some easy toe holds/ heel hooks they offer up while in guard. Is it just me who thinks completely ignoring the possibility of leg locks is rather ridiculous or do you think it should wait until higher levels?

We allow all submissions at my gym. Definitely varies from place to place. I love leg locks. I think to be truly studious of jiu jitsu, you must be aware of ALL submissions, defensively and offensively.

i think it was denny when he was recently on on the mat radio was talking about how ridiculous it is that there are blackbelts that cant defend heel hooks and shit like that. i think while absolute beginners shouldnt do them.they should be taught qquite early on and made a part fo the game.

We allow all leg locks at HQ. We rarely ever have injuries due to leg attacks, in fact I can't remember off the top of my head an injury at hq caused by a heel hook or reaping

It's incredible how many gym instructors will tell you to "watch the leg locks." I think it's lazy to just yell at the Sambo guy instead of teaching students to defend legs at the very least, but that's just me.

Same thing at our gym. We have always allowed all submissions and see no increased injury rate from leg attacks.

Same at our gym...we are heavy heavy on the leg locks and I cant remember a single person being hurt either.

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

We allow all leg locks at HQ. We rarely ever have injuries due to leg attacks, in fact I can't remember off the top of my head an injury at hq caused by a heel hook or reaping

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Well, that is good to know since that is what all the fuss is about! We follow the no leg lock code for whites at my school. Colored belts have caught me with a leg lock while rolling (esp from open guard) but I'm not supposed to apply one back? That's okay...I'll be getting my rolling kneebar, etc on as soon as I get my blue which is the next promotion.

I have felt the delicate tendons in my knees tear with a sound like a tree being uprooted. I could actually feel my LCL scrape across the bone as it twisted in an unnatural direction. I remember freezing, sitting motionless, staring at my outstretched leg expectantly, waiting for the pain to set in. There is always that gap in time between knowing you're hurt and feeling it. This happened while playing volleyball, of all things.

I've never had any problem with my knees due to leglocks, even though I've had some of the nastiest leg fetishists in the game twist my lower limbs into cartoon animal shapes. They're a part of the sport that should be embraced rather than feared; we only fear the unknown.

As with every other submission, white belts should learn not to just rip them, but to use controlled technique. They should learn when to tap and how to defend. Ignoring them will only make you vulnerable.

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Originally Posted by Amir Allam

I have felt the delicate tendons in my knees tear with a sound like a tree being uprooted. I could actually feel my LCL scrape across the bone as it twisted in an unnatural direction. I remember freezing, sitting motionless, staring at my outstretched leg expectantly, waiting for the pain to set in. There is always that gap in time between knowing you're hurt and feeling it. This happened while playing volleyball, of all things.

I've never had any problem with my knees due to leglocks, even though I've had some of the nastiest leg fetishists in the game twist my lower limbs into cartoon animal shapes. They're a part of the sport that should be embraced rather than feared; we only fear the unknown.

As with every other submission, white belts should learn not to just rip them, but to use controlled technique. They should learn when to tap and how to defend. Ignoring them will only make you vulnerable.

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I seriously think I have a new bromance brewing with this intelligent sexual Tyranosaurus.

Interesting anecdote: I once had my LCL torn by a Gracie Barra purple belt, who yanked very hard on a heel hook, without time for me to tap. A few months later, apparently he had forgotten about this, he had the gumption to tell me that I was unqualified to perform leg locks because I was a white belt.

Leg Locks are for pussies!

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Originally Posted by Tony "The Goods" Garcia

I seriously think I have a new bromance brewing with this intelligent sexual Tyranosaurus.

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I know right? He's like the Plato of 10P. Lol

We do all forms of leg locks at our gym except rolling ones + heel hooks, and yes it is odd to visit other gyms and see wide open toe holds and knee bars, totally undefended, even from higher belts - just because dudes just don't train it at those gyms.

What's more odd, is that at some of these "no leg locks" gyms, the way they rip away at sub attempts (as if every roll was the IBJJF World Championship Finals) - I actually find it a LOT more dangerous to roll there, than at my gym where we're constantly pulling off controlled leg locks.

It's all about the (let's not be asses and rip each others' limbs off) attitude, not the (type of) submission!

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

Leg Locks are for pussies!

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I like pussy.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

Leg Locks are for pussies!

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I knew it!

Thousands upon thousands of Russian children train leglocks from day-one in sambo, with very little injury, while the majority of injuries are incurred during throwing.

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Originally Posted by Amir Allam

I have felt the delicate tendons in my knees tear with a sound like a tree being uprooted. I could actually feel my LCL scrape across the bone as it twisted in an unnatural direction. I remember freezing, sitting motionless, staring at my outstretched leg expectantly, waiting for the pain to set in. There is always that gap in time between knowing you're hurt and feeling it. This happened while playing volleyball, of all things.

I've never had any problem with my knees due to leglocks, even though I've had some of the nastiest leg fetishists in the game twist my lower limbs into cartoon animal shapes. They're a part of the sport that should be embraced rather than feared; we only fear the unknown.

As with every other submission, white belts should learn not to just rip them, but to use controlled technique. They should learn when to tap and how to defend. Ignoring them will only make you vulnerable.

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Glorious post

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Originally Posted by Chad Clark

I knew it!

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White belts aren't allowed to do leg locks at my gym due to their lack of knowledge in the complete bjj game. Blue and up leg locks are in but no finishing twisting locks. We say catch then release after 3 seconds and consider it a win or loss.

At our gym, straight foot locks and knee bars are OK at every belt level.

All foot locks are OK at Blue Belt and above. On occasion I will give a white belt the go on twisting foot locks of I trust them and see that they have a special affinity for them.