Well since i now train in a gi im pretty sick of getting choked by the collars, any advice on rolling with a gi to avoid the chokes or is it just practice makes perfect?
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Well since i now train in a gi im pretty sick of getting choked by the collars, any advice on rolling with a gi to avoid the chokes or is it just practice makes perfect?
My school is primarily Gi and my advice is to always be aware of their hands around the collar. Constantly practice hand fighting around your neck to not allow them the grab the collar.
Yeah i need to work on this, i just don't have the reflexes yet to see it as an incoming threat until they have it locked in
This just takes lots of reps to get that awareness. it takes some time.
It's just insane amounts of practice - after a few years your body instinctively knows when a choke is coming in the gi, and you can change the distance between you, or the angle of your bodies, so you're not in danger.
grip fighting was (is) a big thing for me when i roll in the gi. posture and range control is also keys to avoiding. also no gi i'll take bottom, or lesser position cuz im really comfortable there. In the gi I'm naked in the tundra, and my opp is a nice warm fox, i.e. i play a super heavy top game and am ultra aggresive. Because i suck and i am scared of the choke lol
I mostly train in datch gi as well, I find that you have to be aware of grips, some dont stress me out but a high grip on the collar is def choke city I remove those as quickly as possible. I am also famous for blocking cross chokes with my face, worth a shot your face will look like Chael Sonnens the next day but itll save your neck from getting choked. but yeah experience and awareness goes a long ass way too.
If you have to defend a choke like that, you've already made your mistake. It's better to not have an ego and tap, I know I would....i enjoy eating/chewing food much more than getting my jaw cranked for the sake of not tapping, but that's just me!Quote:
Originally Posted by duanebenton
Josh, I agree with Brian's post :) awareness comes with mat time. I havent been choked in years......by something I didn't see coming :p
Thinking about what I just said, in a tournament I would tuck my chin to avoid a choke, just not in training!
From my experience grips are the biggest thing. Without the correct grips your opponent can't choke. If they have the grips in place, you're in trouble. If you let em put the noose around your neck, they're gonna tighten it. Deal with hands inside your collar. The same way you'd deal with an arm under your neck nogi. Having said all this, I still get strangled all the time. I think the logic is sound though.
cross arms kinda like this guy
works like a charm...plus the ganster style hat keeps other guys from steppin' on your turf
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Awww didnt mean it like a tough guy. just a reaction usually do just tap LOL
even better than grip breaking would be to pass standing and don't let your opponent get you in their closed guard
In the famous words of the wu- "protect ya neck" learn what grips are dangerous and which ones not to worry abput, if you're on top and they're playing sleeves and collars be very careful. If you're playing guard and they're playing those grips there's not a lot to worry about, now if they pass protect your collar. Most of all practice your grip breaking! If they don't have grips they ain't got shit!
Well, since we're both Barra guys, I think I know your pain.
But you could give us some details: are you having trouble when they pass? Or is it when you're in their guard? Personally, I only started having trouble with chokes since I started playing the Lockdown. But Eddie says it's alright to get choked at first, so I'm confident my game will improve (even though we only have one no-gi class a week, I'm trying to go 10P with the gi)
Now, in general, you'll always want to check their grips. You're in their guard, they got a deep collar grip, posture up and check that grip. If you can break the grip without them breaking your posture, even better.
If you're getting choked from the half-guard or from side control, you can work your hip escapes - this way you can loosen the pressure on your neck. Also, "looking to the other side" is a good way to loosen the pressure and create enough space to survive and check.
Now, if the guys are trying to choke you from inside your own guard, Armbar City.
http://www.amazon.com/Gustavo-Machad.../dp/B003KD3JZ2
http://www.youtube.com/user/ralphgracie
http://www.youtube.com/user/GracieAcademy
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1qT3sxy49WUCjV5NPrcGKw
The answers are out there, but the research is on you. I highly reccomend Gustavo Machado's Great Escapes dvd. Defense and escapes are key to making it from white belt to blue belt. They are key to survival at any rank, but are the most important to pick up during your formative training years.
Thanks for the tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wancarlos
All seriousness aside, I bet if I wore a hat like that cocked off to the side all casual like I hadn't really perfected the angle in front of a mirror I'd get a lot more respect on the mats.
It depends a ton on where your getting choked FROM too. If your getting choked from the back, man that is freaking hard to avoid... I've seen some legit guys choke someone OUT with two fingers in the collar from behind. You just have to keep that hand off your lapel.
Flip side, if your getting choked from inside guard, like a cross choke, that may be a posture issue. It sounds counter intuitive but you hardly ever see people get cross choked from guard when they are controling the opponents hips.
Mostly you have to deeply accept the fact that this is where gi and no gi differ. I've rolled with a lot of guys who didn't pay attention to grips (I used to be one) but if your playing tournement bjj in a gi, and your opponent is controling the grips, your dead in the water if your not.
I think Renato put up a couple videos about this already
Such an open ended question. Where from?
As a general rule you can break grips all the time, but then you never generate offense. It just takes time to learn when a grip actually threatens and when to not give a fuck and keep doing your thing
One of my students, Matt Skaff, said something to another student the other night that I thought was excellent. I'm paraphrasing here, so maybe he can correct me.
All grips are dangerous if you don't know what his intentions are. If you don't know what he wants with a particular grip, you have to address it.
I would recommend that you watch Ryan Hall's passing the guard DVD. A lot of great ideas about grip fighting that has helped me in my no-gi game. Brandon's quote above is essentially right. Ryan Hall believes as a beginner you should break every grip because you do not know when you are in trouble. Just remember the person who controls the grips essentially gets a chance to force their game on their opponent. As you progress in BJJ, you will learn the importance of grip fighting. I always stress the importance of addressing grips when rolling whenever guys are asking me questions about defense. If a guy graps your lapel get it off. I always try to reverse engineer offensive techniques for my defense. If guys are killing you with the bow and arrow choke. Drill it. Only with an understanding of the choke can you defend it.
Thanks for all the replies and it is mainly when in guard and side control, guess ive just got to get the reps in to know what each grip means and what can be done from it. Never really believed it before but its like im playing a completely different sport all of a sudden.
Until I trained at Gracie Barra I truly believed they were the "same sport". I believed you could play the same game. People at most schools I had trained at or visited did. Many teachers argued this point. In my opinion it is a corrosive and inncorect opinion. Even guys like Marcelo who use similar games themselves have to be aware of the differences.
If you think about this though, this is where 10p shines, because it's the most systematic approach to no gi.
Fact is as your level goes up, if you try to just play your game and ignore grips, it's done.