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We all have read that Hotboxes are to teach the system for free/ not a cent earned from teaching the system.
We have also all experienced a D-bag in the gym. Is it harder to keep D-bags out since its a free class? Do they leave easily if asked to leave? I'm asking because it seems like a tough situation to be in.
(Don't say that you guys beat the ego out of guys, I'm talking about douchebags that won't change)
Wow just saw Schaub Run-Jitsu LOL
lol I try to change it daily to see if people notice.
so far, I just let them tap me 10 times straight, then they think "I can tap the instructor, he has nothing to teach me" Then they fade quickly. It has happened a few times. Some have eventually figured it out and come back better prepared to learn. Option 2, Sometimes they don't leave but nobody wants to roll with them so they just sit against the wall like poindexter while everyone is having fun rolling. They get bored and leave and think we are all stuck up wimps that don't want to roll with him cause he is such a badass. Either way, they are gone. However, we have the luxury of being the only game in town and have a constant inflow of "nice" people who get it.
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
I haven't thought of the tapping the instructor thing. It makes sense, I guess that when you're put in that position, you gotta get creative.
Every person that trains at the hotbox is a guest of another person that trains at the hotbox. Every person at the hotbox understands the rules and the expected mentality and behavior. If a person isn't on board, kick them the fugg out. Do not let negative people ruin valuable training time for those that deserve better.
How do you go about kicking them out. I know I could just yell and walk them out, but not everyone is a bouncer.
This is gonna sound kinda smug. Just fuckin talk to the guy. Hotboxes are more like a crew/team or a club than a class. Its not a right, its a privilege. If a guy is gonna bring everyone else down, he's not called to train. Nobodies getting paid, so nothing is obligated. Whoever owns the mats, makes the rules? But we are at the point now that yes, if a guy is a d-bag, he could very well spend an hour in bottom knee on diaphragm by anyone of our members. But our hotbox is a bunch of bff's who enjoy trying to kill eachother.
How specifically is he being a dick? Dangerous? Obnoxious? Undermining?
All 3 in one. Drilling double legs while you're showing lockdown (undermining), cranking a toe hold he saw on a dean lister dvd yesterday (dangerous), asking, "yeah but can't the guy just push on the face and get away from that?" on a brand new technique (obnoxious)Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
I know you just answered my question (with a good answer too), but what if you're timid or like to avoid confrontation? I guess that's the point where you and your buddies in the HB smash him to pieces.
When I ran my Hotbox in St Louis, everyone was either my friend or a student from a former 10P STL. I didn't accept new people unless I knew them or they were friends of a friend. There were 20-25 of us and we were like a family. All of us still train together. As a leader of a hotbox, it is up to u who to train and who not to train. U don't have to tolerate a Dbag, not like they are paying for classes anyways. Just tell that person that he is not welcomed to train at the Hotbox, that's all.
Part of being a leader is stepping up to those situations. You also have to have enforcers( you being the main one). If he can just push your head away there, than you need to address that fact anyway. I actually don't mind goons, or people working what they want while I'm drilling/teaching, if you have the space. But if he in anyway endangers anyone from being able to work or train tomorrow, he's gonna get a serious talk behind the woodshed. If he undermines, I'll stop what I'm doing and ask him to try his theory on me or anyone of my guys. If he's not interested in progressing as a team he can kick rocks, and I'll point him in the direction. Being confrontational is way better than losing a good training partner due to a blown acl.
If someone likes picking on smaller or less trained people, he gets the dogs sicked on him. Every mat has different methods, but this is ours. If I see a guy going abu dhabi on a whitebelt, he can only roll with people who I'm positive can thrash him.
Also, if I don't like a guy off the mat, he's not welcome on mine.
Maybe educate him on etiquette, if you haven't done so already.
I don't think it would be a good idea to head a HB if you're timid or can't deal with confrontation. Even if it is the "gentle art," it's a martial art and a combat sport.
If you're a blue, the odds are some athletic or prodigious whites can tap you in a roll. Other blues will tap you. Visiting purples and above will def tap you. In a legit school, you have to be able to be the top dog. But that's not the point of a HB. The point of a HB is to learn and drill 10thP specific material. If you have a guy who's just looking for free mat time, tell him to hit an open mat. If he isn't cooperating, waste his time right back. Give him zero training partners. Give him zero attention. Don't roll with him.
Don't waste my time, I won't waste your time. That would be my approach.
This is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Keeping a safe environment to train is part of being a teacher/leader/ hotbox head/ whatever. And if there is someone who is not allowing your training space that you are in charge of to be safe, then its up to you to let them know that. No offence, but you need to man up and tell him what the group's expectations are when it comes to training. And for any new people that come into your group, let them know what is expected before they start training with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wancarlos
There is a time and place for everything. Some people you can roll hard with, other people you work technique with.
I had the luxury of running my hotbox at a gym while other classes were going. It was very easy to get rid of d-bags. We had plenty of backup.
I disagree with Greg 100%. You not only rep yourself, your hotbox and if your are an official 10th Planet Hotbox the system. Don't ever given in and let someone tap you like that, you woop that ass and send it packing.
ScienceQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
I'm sorry for the question, but can someone tell me what is a Hotbox? And what are 'Moons'?
So at the end of a butt whoopin' do you guys just puff out your chest and point at the door? I know how to get rid of a guy, but have you guys ever actually had to deal with it? Ever get verbal or physical?
moon heads please chime in also.
So now you are inside Gabi Garcia lol
HB--10p groups/clubs that teach and train 10p in a group/club-like setting for free. Generally headed by a guy legit enough to win at least 10 comp/mma matchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Krazy Lobster
Moon--Official 10p academies--full of legit guys lol
just trying to entertain...also, it's dark in here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Kadek
wow, Zog and I disagree, that is a first. call me sometime Zog.
Greg we know you're good peoples.
But when someone comes to my hotbox, the only thing I care about is that they leave respecting(and fearing) 10p. We represent the system. Its not an ego stroke to do it properly and thoroughly. If they come in tryin to compare dicks, make sure they leave humbled. 10p clearly has an above average dick. Show them.
Just so you know its not a disagreement, its 10th Planet code.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
This is greatnessQuote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
Yeah, submit his ass, Seabass...
It depends on the guy's attitude. If he is humble and has just come to learn, I see no need to smash him. Make him tap, yes. But no need to break him off. My opinion.
If he has come to test you, help him see that he isn't adequately prepared for this exam :) Your skill level will determine how hard you have to struggle to display dominance.
In some cases, he will be better than you and will have things to teach you. Learn these lessons with humility and with the heart of a martial artist. But don't let anyone disrespect you or your castle, even if they are better than you. If it turns into a whoopin, then it turns into a whoopin. So be it. You're in the whoopin business.
I think it's incredibly important that you roll with visitors and new guys before any of the students do; particularly if your students are White and Blue Belts. You have to protect them from the potentially unsavory intentions of visitors and dojo stormers.
Defend your castle.
Life is going to be rough being a lower belt protecting your turf, especially as a lighter guy. But it is a combat sport and you just power through shit.
And if you do have to verbally tell a guy to leave, its generally best to remain calm, assertive, don't interrupt or argue. As long as you don't get heated you can usually maintain alpha status without them getting heated
Greg, you always seem super cool on here, but I disagree with you also. In addition to what other people have said about repping the system (there is a reason you need ten wins to open a hotbox, sorry) there is additional problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
1. I never let a "D-bag" even get me in a dangerous position because you can't trust him not to hurt you
2. There is a good chance your students wont like this even if you imagine they are ok with it. Which can lead to THEM trying to hand it and getting hurt OR them following your example and getting hurt. You put peoples safety at risk handling thing in this way.
3. Many times "D-bags"=bullies as well. Whish means this wont work on them. In fact it will make it worse. A bullie generally leaves after one day of getting crushed by everyone. This is the "filter for D-bags" you hear Eddie and others talking about. They weren't there in the first place to learn, they were there to "crush people". Exactly what they want is "nerds that can't touch them". So they will come in and bully you and your students and may never leave.
Greg, as you are a 10th planet hotbox leader (correct?), I highly consider you change your policy as I feel it is not safe nor does it confirm to other standards. I suggest having this conversation with your sponsored instructor. Sorry if it feels like I'm being harsh, but when I started training I got injured at a gym that also didn't have there mess together with handling these types of things. You have an obligation to keep people safe, sorry.
Our hotbox was on a college campus. We got an above average number of d-bags that wanted to come in a crush some nerds. Very important they leave with their tale between their legs. Never let a guy win that isn't a regular at your gym. And even then there's certain guys I will let never let win.. And there's alot of guys after 6months or so I allow them to work on some subs and stuff when we roll. It's all about each individual. I agree with Bmac that not everyone needs to be crushed their first day.. But most do. Make sure, being the insrructor that you always beat everyone the first day. Nice or not..
Need to have someone that can tap the average meat-head to be an instructor of a hotbox. That's why the criteria includes 10 tournament wins..
Thanks everyone, there is a ton of clarity provided in this thread.
You have to represent yourself and the system with integrity. As Joe Rogan pointed out, D-bags don't last for very long in jiu jitsu. Their egos can't take being tapped over and over and over again. Especially if it is being done by smaller people and white/blue belts.
You can't allow one jerk to come in and change the atmosphere of your class. 10th Planet is all about positivity and growth, always stay focused on that! Keep tapping him, sit down and have regular conversations with the guy about what you are trying to accomplish as a school, and if he is still causing problems then show him the door.