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Funny Javi Vazquez used to be a rival to Eddie back in the days against eachother in BJJ matches now hes working lots of rubber guard in his match tonight tried to work the meathook got mission control crackhead control i belive he had chill dog at one point too
yeah he started to go for the kung fu move and worked mostly the meat hook think he still needs more practice
Did he have a Gracie University patch on his butt and was using Rubber Guard? Oil just became soluble.
Too bad he didnt know to trap the arm and take new york because he had it so many times, so many free new yorks, if he knew ANY FINISHES from the rubber guard he would have won that fight so fast! So obvious that all he knew was mission control and that maybe throw the other leg up or put the foot on the other side of the head but he clearly didnt know shit beyond that! Come on! DENNY GET IN THE UFC AND SHOW THEM WTF RUBBER GUARD IS, thanks.
He's married to a Gracie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Valdez
HUG THE FUCKING KNEE!!!
To everybody that asks, "Why do all these wrestlers stand up and power out of my rubber guard?" watch this fight. Notice how low Javi's hips were, how squared up Javi's hips were, and how he didn't hug the knee or properly isolate the shoulder.
Javi and Eddie are friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Elizondo
First of all, Javi is a well known black belt and is really cool to a lot of 10th Planet guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
Secondly Javi's Rubber Guard wasn't bad.
For the most part he didn't hug the knee because he was playing the Meat Hook game for the majority of the fight. Also, his problem with Chad standing and powering out wasn't a knee hugging issue, it was because he didn't transition from the Meat Hook to Crack Head when Chad stood up. That would have placed a larger emphasis on controlling the stack and would have most likely stopped Chad from being able to just straight up muscle out.
For a guy who doesn't regularly train with Eddie he actually utilized RG successfully to nullify a lot of Chad's athleticism, at one point Javi almost had a Free New York, he showed he has the flexibility for Crack Head control and his transitions back and forth from RG to other positions were fluid.
I respect Javi a lot. He's a black belt and has wicked Jiu Jitsu.
Sorry for the criticism. I didn't mean to offend any people here I was just speaking as a detached viewer of a fight on my tv. I understand that he was using the meat hook but he seemed too far underneath for that to be an effective option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Eisner
Again, I apologize for offending any friends of Javi as my comments were only made in a vacuum between my tv and my laptop.
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Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
dont apologize for speaking your mind...to my knowledge this site is a place we can be honest about our opinions and talk about jiu-jitsu..i agree with you,,while it was cool to see him go into the RG..(im deff not a rg expert) it was obvious that he wasnt doing it right...the three people i watched it withh that are big MMA fans but dont do jiu-jitsu kept asking me why was he going to it over and over and not trying something else
RG is cool but if your not sinking it in for one reason or another ,switch to something else,seemed more like bad stradegy
Im sure they are friends when i said they used to be rivals in BJJ I was refering to Eddies DVD The Twister he shows a match on there against Javi that he ended up loseing but was very close and also mentions that they had a few tough matches against eachother I meant rivals on the mat didnt say anything about them not liking eachother personalyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason Eisner
Wow I'm quite surprised that some of you were impressed with javi's RG, I mean yea he used it and was attempting different positions but to me it was pretty obvious that he wasn't skilled enough with it to finish chad, he didn't even get close to a submission as far as I could tell. He was able to control chad with it to some degree, yea, he neutralized him pretty well, but personally that's not what I want to see out of the RG, maybe my expectations are too high but I think most of the skilled 10th planet guys would have been able to pull off a finish with all those opportunities.
Well, I thought his RG was horrid! Loose as fuck and he had no idea where to go from MC or TMH... Right leg just kept hanging out (instead of controlling the hip or leg curling the back). Never dug his forearm in, hugged his knee, etc... Several finishes presented themselves (gogo, IC, TP, etc..) and he didn't appear to even attempt them... Don't get me wrong, Chad is tough as hell and Javi is no slouch either. I just hate seeing guys attempt sloppy RG when on the big scene. I can just picture traditional BJJ players grinning and smirking to one another "rubbish guard, see that shit don't work, etc..." And that is not the case IMHO :) I did like seeing Javi try to get some striking going from MC! I have been working striking from there (mostly short forward and backward elbows) and it is working pretty well so far ;) He just needs to tighten that shit up!!!
I was glad to see a "non 10th planet guy" working the system at a high level. the guy has skill but just needs more reps also I could see the gloves gave him trouble. If your using the system in mma, you gotta use the gloves when your training your matwork.
Here's the fight.
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Chad...014140&tid=100
I somewhat agree with you aj. it seemed that his guard was loose and weak around his knee. When chad tried the slam, if he would have had a tight squeeze and just took the bumb, I think he would have been fine and chad would have possibly abandoned any further attempts at slams. Jason does know more than me though, but I think it was loose.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ Camacho
Bill went as far as saying his Rubber Guard is "horrid." Knowing that Javi is a friend of Eddie and a very talented BJJ black belt, using that terminology on our forums might not be a great idea, but hey, if that is what you want to say...Quote:
Originally Posted by frank-theman-james
Let me explain my position. I'm not saying that Javi's Rubber Guard is amazing, I'm saying that it wasn't as bad as most of you are making it out to be. Lets face it. With the limited amount of reps Javi probably has working RG, he was able to utilize it to nullify much of Chad Mendes' crazy athleticism. If Javi had played double wrist control, he would have definitely eaten a few hundred more punches.
Secondly his problem was the lack of options in his RG bag. Javi continued to hunt for the triangle off of the Meat Hook and after awhile it obviously became predictable. That being said, again, Javi was still able to use it effectively to nullify a lot of Chad's game, which usually consists of laying inside of someones guard, or in side control and punching them for three rounds. If you understand how athletic Chad is and how good of a wrestler he is, then you understand that Javi did pretty well from a position he most likely doesn't work very often.
Based on what we all saw last night, to make his RG more effective, Javi just needs more options and tricks from the position, but I'm focused on the positives. Chad Mendes was winning that fight no matter what last night. He is a young, up and coming fighter with insane wrestling. I think Javi did well with what he knew and I stick by that.
Bill said "I can just picture traditional BJJ players grinning and smirking to one another "rubbish guard, see that shit don't work, etc..."
Or we can say that Javi, a very talented Gracie Jiu Jitsu Black Belt, might become an ambassador for Rubber Guard now.
If we are talking hypotheticals then why not say that Javi enters that same conversation with these so called "traditional BJJ players" and replies "You know what guys. If I didn't use RG, I might have gotten punched out? If anything RG helped stopped me from having to look like Sloth from Goonies. I think we should investigate this position more."
Just my 2 cents.
Jason, I spelled out what I "thought", as in my opinion... I like the optimistic thinking your using, it is good for the universe :)
I hope Javi comes out to HQ and gets those reps in, and more so learns the small nuances that make RG so damn effective ;)
I wasn't trying to hypothetically think of how many reps he has in, I was watching his performance and attempted use of RG. Big difference... Regardless, I hope he works on it and polishes it up! I also agree that Chad was going to win that fight, def hungry and a monster!!!
Excellent point about the gloves Scott! They def take getting used to....Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Yockel
ok, now that yalls have made up, what are the options Javi could've tried out? Anyone? What would you have done? :)
Jason, for the record, I just commented on the fact that I thought it look loose. I agree that it definately gave chad a problem. didnt look like chad could set up a good assault from the fact that javi was constantly attacking with the rubberguard. I was excited to see someone of that caliber use the rubberguard as I always am when I see it in the big fights. And like I said, you do know more than me, but my opinion was it looked loose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Eisner
Its hard to say what he could have done from the position he was in. I got all excited when he pulled crackhead, but it seemed like chad was just to strong. on a couple of the oma attempts, would the carni might have worked better. I dont know, just thinking and thought that not being able to maintain the arm and hips together, maybe he could have used both hands to control the wrist and pull the carni. maybe????Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Frank...I had no problem with your post. It was concise and respectful. I was just posting my thoughts as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by frank-theman-james
Best,
Jason
Gogo was there a couple of times. So I would've followed SJ> SK>Sorcerer, maybe test that Mono that you have been raving about ;) He def needed to dig that forearm elbow in, and hug the knee, and get the right foot to the hip or leg curl to help tighten control the position. And so on, and so on. LoL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Thanks jason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Eisner
New York to Mad Dog to Omo sweep to get on top or take the back. Gotta hug that knee tight from NY with the MD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Well, clearly it's an "easier said than done" observation, I mean Chad is a sick wrestler and Javi's hips definitely weren't stuck out of some positional accident. Chad was very methodical in his control and how he forced Javi's position. That being said, I would have regressed to New York to try and get a better attack angle or at least a higher guard position. Chad was just too high in the guard and whenever I'm looking up towards my rubber guard, I know that shit isn't going to hold together for that much longer.
I would imagine that having Chad Mendes in your guard is like having two pit bulls fighting in a pillowcase. With that said, it may have been Javi's strategy to use the rubber guard as a method of neutralizing Chad's attack which I feel he did so effectively. It should be noted that he did not abandon the techniques but stayed actively searching for solutions to the problems Chad brings in a fight. It also shows a maturity in his game that he recognizes the value of this system. For that he's earned my respect, although Javi's the man and he had it before anyways :).
ok, now that yalls have made up, what are the options Javi could've tried out? Anyone? What would you have done?
try to clear the neck more. almost got a armbar the one time he did.
sticking to the techniqe is good but untill what point....after the 4th RG attept failed he should have switched to somthing else..
if i was a judge id have been put off by him not standing more and throweing leather
I thought he did pretty good. He took little G&P and deliverd some nice elbows, some good striking out of the RG. He was working for the meat hook and the triangle off the meat hook. All I would say he needed to do better was tighten his leg squeeze and definately hook the leg when Mendes would pick him up. Maybe of tried to trap the arm or switched to pyramid but still a solid effort and another possible ambassador for 10th planet techniques in the UFC.
Crackhead, doublebag, invisible crackhead, croc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
I just watched the fight. I think he did very good. It is obvious that he has been working with and like the meat hook. Awesome fight. Just became a fan of Javier's.
Javi is a Carlson Gracie Black Belt