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I was wondering why do we slice our knee in when doing the marceloteen other than keeping a butterfly hook? Would both ways work? I use the butterfly hook to sweep him over if it doesn't work, but then I revisited mts and realized I was missing that detail. Also, one of the mma fighters at our gym was smart enough to protect himself by pulling on my other hand ( non choking hand) any plan b things to do there?
Just keep his hips on the side of your choking arm your good.
If he tries to grab your non choking hand, straight up try and get a one arm guillotine — he's defending the wrong arm.
Also, it's important to have your leg opposite your choking arm blocking him from passing, because if he rotates towards your non choking side, not only will he pass, but you'll lose the choke. If he rotates further towards your choking side, he may pass, but the choke will be incredibly tighter, so he wont be trying to pass to that side ;)
At 1:00:30 Eddie talks about how people defend the choking arm to defend when it's only helping him. But the rest I total agree with u. I always block that side but thx.
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Originally Posted by Ross Davidson
You use the knee slid under the body on the choking side to frame your opponent when they stack. You use the leg on the non choking side to pull them in when you sink the choke...bc you want to compress everything in when you finish. Like curling into a ball.
agree with tori, it helps fold them into the choke if that makes more sense? maybe
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Originally Posted by Tori Applegate
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When you nail this you can have an opponent tapping in seconds... Like Eddie's Arm Bar tutorial, this changed my game.
This, you can hit a marcelotoine from anywhere (mount, side, guard, half guard etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
Bobby is like a beautiful mind. So fucking odd but utterly gorgeous. His simplicity completes me.
I love how VJ is dialed in on the tech threads. I always agree, or reconsider my previous assumption.
I'm flattered by odd and offended by beautiful. Thanks and how dare you Tony.
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Originally Posted by bobby rivers
And also, sliding my knee in helps me stay on my side which we know helps with flexibility. In the case of rubber guard being on your side helps your hip and knee and with the marcelotine the more you are on your side the deeper the non choking elbow can flare.
What about how hard you crank the marceloteen? I'm always a bit shy on cranking it, usually I go 60% to 80 to 100. Am i being too nice?
I usually do the same for rnc s, slowly choke harder and harder like a snake.
To be honest, I've done the guillotine wrong for over 10 years. It wasn't until a 3 day death camp in Decatur that I was finally corrected into folding the opponent into the choke. Since then, I haven't found a need for anywhere near an 80% squeeze on these either. If the position is correct, his head is deep under the arm pit, and the threatening arm is tight, the tap comes with little torque.
I don't squeeze chokes the way you think when someone says the word "squeeze." My goal is not to crush my opponent with power, even if that means increasing the power in increments. My goal is to hold a steady amount of pressure for as long as I can. I try to strangle them, not squeeze them. The amount of pressure really doesn't matter to me because the opponent will eventually choke themselves out by trying to struggle. I usually don't hold anything over 50% unless time is running out and then about 90%.
Thx guys, this thread has been really useful, I'll give it a try Thursday and let you know.