Failed Marcelotine options?

Hi Guys,

I asked a similar question a while back, but now I know how to describe the position better I thought I'd ask in more detail:

Lets say you go for the Marcelotine, you secure their head for the choke with your right arm, you slide your right shin across your opponents abs, your left leg goes to come over the arm, but they stuff it. Some how they manage to pry your hands off their neck and they now have you in a position where they are in a kind of open guard. The danger is that here that they pass to your right side into side control.

What would you do from here?

Photo of position here (obviously imagine the choke element has been lost):

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(Note: I realise that the best option would have been to do the Marcelotine better)

Thanks in advance :)

idk man, run off the mat.


No seriously, I think the best thing to do (i'm just a blue belt) is to make space by kicking that left foot into the near hip--pushing off, and throwing the foot from the leg that was initially across his abdomen in his far thigh for a butterfly hook. or get z guard...

Meathook

Either invert an look for legs, look for 100 percent (one of my favorites). I also often look to lick up triangles from there depending where arms are an how he's defending.

Not the exact same position but my favorite option from a failed Marcelotine is switching it to the ninja choke! I'll post a few of my wins in competition with this transition so hopefully you'll see what I mean!

http://youtu.be/NwTiMqawpMA

Here's another one, unfortunately this one was against a 10th Planet brother!

http://youtu.be/Vld9N6iKmT8

Both of those were slick finishes Logan! I'll have to try that out, if the opportunity comes up.

I really like the marcelotine. If I feel like I'm not going to be able to finish it then I try not to bail without moving onto another option. Depending on the defense they are using I like to switch to an arm drag with my right arm, the 100% (which counters the pass well), flying Kung fu move with my left leg, shoot my legs through and use the head control to get to sprawl, or recover some kind of guard. In my limited experience, the marcelotine is a great control position and whether or not it gets the finish, it can lead to any number of next positions. Hope this helps.

Marcelo has a video where he show how to finish the marcelotine after they pass to side control. Not something you want to happen but I've gotten a couple taps with it.

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Originally Posted by Logan Cook

Not the exact same position but my favorite option from a failed Marcelotine is switching it to the ninja choke! I'll post a few of my wins in competition with this transition so hopefully you'll see what I mean!

http://youtu.be/NwTiMqawpMA

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Love. This. I'm a sucker for guillotines in general but it's true that it leaves you in kind of a shit position if they get their head free. I'll have to start working the ninja choke in before they're fully passed.

Thanks, Logan! :)

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Originally Posted by Griffin Lambert

Marcelo has a video where he show how to finish the marcelotine after they pass to side control. Not something you want to happen but I've gotten a couple taps with it.

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Any idea what it is called? I am a member of MG In Action so can search it if you do :)

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Originally Posted by Jee Kim

Love. This. I'm a sucker for guillotines in general but it's true that it leaves you in kind of a shit position if they get their head free. I'll have to start working the ninja choke in before they're fully passed.

Thanks, Logan! :)

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Agreed! Thanks, Logan :)

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Originally Posted by Jee Kim

Love. This. I'm a sucker for guillotines in general but it's true that it leaves you in kind of a shit position if they get their head free. I'll have to start working the ninja choke in before they're fully passed.

Thanks, Logan! :)

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No problem! Glad you like it!

Nice, the marcelotine is one of the few things I go to every time I roll, good to have a backup plan

Something I've been doing lately is not fully commiting to the guard pull unless I know I have the choke 100% locked in from top sprawl control. The guys at my gym know that if I wrap up their neck its gonna get real bad real quick, so they are quick to defend with both hands, which can lead really nicely to flying wrestler to the truck.

But like you said, hitting the marcelotine perfect at the beginning is the best option. Even if they are defending with both hands in, if you are able to be really heavy on the back of their head with your lat and really get their head folded down you should be able to finish with the marcelotine.

100% without a doubt!!