What do you do when stuck in someone's guard?

Hi guys,

Wondering what you guys do as no-gi competitors when stuck in someone else's guard. I'm talking more to 10th planet guys fighting non 10th planet guys, i.e. you are against those probably looking for kimuras or hunting the overhook to set up traditional armbars and triangles.

I'm still working on my standing passes, so would be nice to know what people have as their 'go to' option.

Is it stand up passes all the way - if so, which ones - or do you have other tricks?

Thanks in advance all :)

To stand pass first you have to break the guard. When I am in someones guard I am trying to obtain as much posture as possible. This often means standing up while in my opponents guard. I try to pick my opponent up to break his guard then push his guard down with the help of gravity to break it. The better the guard the longer this takes. I will not sacrifice a sub to make this happen. Head on sternum and double bicep control till I can posture. It takes patience and precision. First objective is "don't die". All other objectives are always followed by first.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyF4u...f4AhQk7Pe_9nTA

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Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyF4ulPdphI&list=UUr7VU0Cnef4AhQk7Pe_9nTA

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This is my go-to. There are some crucial details in this video that make a huge difference in the success rate.

Thanks guys, the reason I was asking is because I have been watching Josh Barnett's DVD on 'punishing the guard'.

Much of what he is showing is a way of making the guard so horrible for your opponent that they open their guard and allow you to escape without standing, which is why I wondered if this was a legit style.

Examples: He says to posture up and away to such an extent your opponent can't reach you. You then do the old school dig knees into thighs type escape and because you are so far away any kind of arm bar / triangle your opponent throws up will simply result in a pass.

Another example is the tripod. Josh gets his right arm around the guys head and left arm under his shoulder. He then jumps up onto his toes and begins to twist (uses his forehead in their face, etc too) until they let go with their legs. I guess this is 'kind of' a standing pass, although I didn't see it as related so much because hands are still on the floor too.

Welcoming more opinions and ideas :)

You have to remember about Josh that his in guard stuff will be quite body specific in that he is huge and having grappled for so long he is exceptionally strong and has unbelievable base.

Palhares breaks and passes the guard by pummeling one arm in and baiting the triangle then blasting upwards the moment the guard opens. They are options, but are fraught with danger.

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Originally Posted by Chris Garry

You have to remember about Josh that his in guard stuff will be quite body specific in that he is huge and having grappled for so long he is exceptionally strong and has unbelievable base.

Palhares breaks and passes the guard by pummeling one arm in and baiting the triangle then blasting upwards the moment the guard opens. They are options, but are fraught with danger.

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Was kind of my thoughts on it, Chris. I really like his methods, but I fear for smaller guys it would end up in you getting swept or having a technique (such as Rubber Guard) locked on you. That said, was interested as what I did like was that once the guard is open you are so close to your opponent and I like the clinch style - so the less time my weight is off my opponent the better.

Quite liking the Listner and BJ Penn style pass (hands on one side, knee to ribs on the other and twist).

I should say that my go to is still the Brandon Standing Guard Pass as I refer to it in the gym (because his was the first video I saw it so well broken down). I am just researching other styles - as much for enjoyment / study factor as looking for something new to add to my game :)

There's something I have been trying and it has been successful but could be smoother and it will have to be quick if you go against a good leg lock guy, I think I'm just missing a few key bits. While in their guard, I try get control of one of their wrists, sit back and step into his bicep or wrap the legs over his head if you have the long legs like myself and if you can pull him in close. If you feed your other arm through his legs after you break the guard, you can pass into side control. Open to all feedback to explain anything I'm missing with this technique though or if its worth the leg lock risks.

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Originally Posted by Chris Garry

Palhares breaks and passes the guard by pummeling one arm in and baiting the triangle then blasting upwards the moment the guard opens.

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I used to do that. It worked for a long time against whites and blues. I knew it wasn't smart, but it worked so I would do it. Then I went with a black belt my size. LOL. Yeah, it's a bad idea unless you're MUUUUCH stronger than the other guy.



As far as guard breaks, I've started using the Marcelo break and Keenan's hip heist a couple months ago with good success.

A nasty variation is one hand controlling the hips the other on the neck like a rape choke. Pop up and put your weight forward like in the vid but put the pressure on the neck. It feels fucking awful and you can't move real well at all. Then twist to the side your hand on the hip is at while breaking the guard, knee slice to pass to side control, but don't let go of the neck till you knee slice. Next time I see you I'll show what I mean brother. Which reminds me, you coming to Micks seminar this Sunday bud?

Honestly I'm falling in line with what's popular these days, but I stand and pass, as soon as possible. I avoid the closed guard at all costs. Even if I don't do a standing pass like a leg drag or x-pass, I still stand to break the closed guard, and then drop back down to one knee, or both knees. I never attempt to break the closed guard from one or both knees, and I got 99% of my standing guard breaks from Marcelo Garcia.

Bicep control, stand up, break guard, pass.

I was just going to mention Brandon's vid but was beaten to it. I can't say I've drilled it enough to make it money but there are some really great tips in it (especially making sure you bring your leg as far back as possible) and this one tip alone has helped me tremendously.

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Originally Posted by VJ Bella

Bicep control, stand up, break guard, pass.

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This - but sometimes when you're really tired and they're bigger than you then when you bicep control, stand up - they wiggle side to side and knock you down again, and you end up in an endless loop.

If I'm against bigger guys and get swept the first time I try to stand up, I'll try lead him towards taking an armbar and shooting out as soon as I feel his legs uncross. I can usually get to either a leg drag position, side control if I duck under the legs quick enough or just get the fuck away.

It's pretty easy to bait the triangle to pass guard especially if they don't bother to control an arm. Posture up reach behind to open the legs and as they throw up their triangle block at the theigh with your other arm long enough to duck your head to the outside and start your stack pass to side control. Baiting is exciting but requires a good understanding of what you oponant is going to do when you bait. I am real good at getting out of omoplatas so I bait them to pass closed guard but like others have said there is a risk factor.

In NOGI I also don't like to pass standing due to a greater risk of leg attacks.

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Originally Posted by kevinculp

In NOGI I also don't like to pass standing due to a greater risk of leg attacks.

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Leg attacks shouldn't really be a concern as long as your aware of them. As soon as he opens his guard you should be out (I usually go track star here and then re-engage) .

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Originally Posted by brianspinaltap

This - but sometimes when you're really tired and they're bigger than you then when you bicep control, stand up - they wiggle side to side and knock you down again, and you end up in an endless loop.

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When you stand up bring one knee inside under their butt (like a log splitter pass) an push the other one diagonally back. Gives you a better base. Also... I don't really care if he goes for that little kiddie double ankle sweep... Just fall to one side an loop your leg over (remember to shelf the knee) an shrimp your other knee an your on your leg lock game.

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Originally Posted by VJ Bella

Leg attacks shouldn't really be a concern as long as your aware of them. As soon as he opens his guard you should be out (I usually go track star here and then re-engage) .

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I'm aware of sharks when I surf but I'm still concerned when I see them...foot locks hurt lol

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I'm aware of sharks when I surf but I'm still concerned when I see them...foot locks hurt lol

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They don't hurt as long as your the one applying them. Be the shark :)

I'm still trying to be the ball...sports metaphors are so confusing.

But on the real I need to walk the next day at work or my kids don't eat. Break my arm I'm still good. Break my foot and shit gets real so I tap fast if you even look at my foot.

Thanks for all this guys, been doing tons of research on all the links and types of pass you suggested.

Brandon's seems the most technical and logical to me.

I found some drills by Sean Bollinger in MTS episode 25: You Know How 10 Cruise.

These drills are at:
13:43 – Guard Passing Drill w/ Sean Bollinger
44:36 – Hand in the Back Pocket Guard Passing Drill

What I notice is that in sparring and matches Marcelo Garcia almost always uses the pass Sean shows at 44:36. The ones he shows on the DVDs and on his MGIA site he very rarely uses (couldn't find much footage at all, in fact). Strangely though, I couldn't find many videos of Marcelo actually teaching the drill at 44:36, despite seeming to use it primarily.

Just wondering why you guys think this might be. Is it because he thinks it is only for absolute elite people (i.e. a novice is likely to get swept as they attempt it), is it because they are dangerous, I'm not sure why he wouldn't teach his go-to move, that is all :)

I'd probably have to make a vid of it and just show it but I'll try my best to describe it. I have a guard pass from the knees, that's basically a cartwheel. I'll sometimes come up on one foot briefly for momentum but I throw myself (like a twister roll) motion torwards the side of choice and it seperates his legs almost forcing him into a boston crab. If you scramble quick enough you can sometimes get the back also. I've used this pass for years and seems to work well.

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Originally Posted by NelsonLucca

I'd probably have to make a vid of it and just show it but I'll try my best to describe it. I have a guard pass from the knees, that's basically a cartwheel. I'll sometimes come up on one foot briefly for momentum but I throw myself (like a twister roll) motion torwards the side of choice and it seperates his legs almost forcing him into a boston crab. If you scramble quick enough you can sometimes get the back also. I've used this pass for years and seems to work well.

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Defo need to film it :D :)