Some interesting reading here:
http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/choque-official-thread-2803359/
In particular so far, post #1, #13, #26, #30, & #60. Still reading.
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Some interesting reading here:
http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12/choque-official-thread-2803359/
In particular so far, post #1, #13, #26, #30, & #60. Still reading.
i'm checking.
thanks for the share duder.
Cheers.
lol, this thread is not passing the Gracie filter.
Very interesting
That thread has become SUPER interesting at this point, with the posts by a user named "MarcoRugeAss".
The guy is a self-proclaimed MMA historian and is schooling these Sherdoggers hard.
That's a whole lot to read. Mind pointing out some of the things that come up as cool facts or something?
Actually, I just skpped to the last page. Very interesting stuff.
I have the book Choque and his other book Jiu Jitsu in the Hot Zone. I have just started Choque, but JJ in the HZ was a pretty good read. It's about his 11 yr journey to bjj black belt while living in Brazil. Deals a lot with all of the drama between different camps.
These videos are cool David. http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f12...9/index25.html
Ponder how well the front kick and round kick defence would work. I would suggest maybe there were freakishly good strikers with take down defence alive in the world long before Sakuraba came along.
Yeah the last few pages where Marco started dropping the history is where the gold is. Very earth shaking stuff, for the Gracie cultists.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
I just watched the Kron Gracie/Joe Rogan podcast. It seems no one told him its not 1972 any more and my mum has a leg kick like Sakurabas. Most of the claims around being the pinacle of martial arts etc, entirely depend on geography.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/atta...3&d=1408466169
This is a direct download link to MarcoHugeAss's Dissertation. It's long but worth the read!
Link's not working John.
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/atta...3&d=1408466169
A PDF SHOULD DOWNLOAD IT'S ABOUT 855KB
The New Zealand MMA scene dates back to way before the guys in that thread are saying the Gracies created it. The two guys I trained under one in NZ and one in Queensland, had MMA experience that pre-dated the UFC. In reality, the factory I work in just celebrated its 100th anniversary, and for a good 70 of those 100 years there was a no holds barred, 30 min fight in the carpark every day. Claiming a monopoly on this sort of stuff is patently ridiculous. Silly honour codes and social rankings are as old as people.
People have been fighting hand to hand just about forever. Muay Thai is basically just the last of the military "Oh no I dropped my sword" CQB that before guns, every male on the planet would have trained in. South East Asia was late in giving that up. We are seeing the last gasps (thankfully saved by MMA) of hand to hand combat, not the invention of it.
Thanks John for the PDF (great read so far!) and thanks Kurzy for unearthing this gem of a thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by John Mejia
John, thank you so much for posting this link. Awesome read. I have to admit, as someone that trains with one of the original GJJ professors in the states, that as much as I respect the Gracie family and what they've given to everyone here...I've always taken a lot of the history with a grain of salt. Anyone who has ever looked at a photo of Helio and Carlos back in their day can see that Helio was not smaller than Carlos. And, as someone that was very neutral and open minded, when I researched Eddie's system, I never could understand why anyone of the "older" generation thought he was trying to take credit for naming moves himself. Who cares? It's just naming things to flow in his system...or that's what it seems to me. I look forward to training in the 10th Planet system when 10th Planet San Diego drops in January. Much respect to all of you out there.
OK Guys, after pages and pages of battling trolls, I asked MarcoRugeAss to sum it all up in one sentence.
He replied in post#1008.
(Yes, that's right. Post number One Thousand, Eight)
My question and his answer:
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Originally Posted by StabbyMcHatchet
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Originally Posted by MarcoRugeAss