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What do you guys think of getting the overhook before going to rubber guard? I have trouble getting rubber guard after I got the over hook because of flexibility and ect. Any Ideas? Should I stop doing that? Just go RG then try to get the overhook? Seems more obvious for the oppenents. P.S. I have some competition footage coming up as an example soon.
I'm slightly confused. If you're in closed guard and break his posture down, do you not already have over hooks?
Just get out on your hip more. Staying on your hip will not only make it easier to play rubber guard, but it will give you a better angle to attack the trapped arm anyway.
It doesnt work for me, but I have a student that confused new york and pyramid in a tournament. He had mission control grip with overhook and he finished 2 armbars from there.
To me hugging the knee is easier than overhooking as it allows me to get on my side more and transition easier
Obviously spend more time on flexibility. More time than you spend training!
Exactly...for those with flexibility issues, we have them get their hips out more and go to London/Williams Guard (w/gable grip on the far side of the neck) to work the RG game. Got a few guys that really enjoy that guard, but you have to be active with it and can't hang out there too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean applegate
Yeah, I'm confused as well. Not sure what overhook he's referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by NelsonLucca
If it's a flexibility thing, like others mentioned, getting out onto your hip is helpful.
Another thing I find useful is using the foot on the hip to help you scoot up a little higher. You don't want the guy's head square to yours. And you don't want his head close to yours. My sweet spot is having the guy's forehead at my diaphragm. If the top of his head can touch my chin, I won't have the flexibility to work my RG. So either use the floor to shrimp, or used the foot on the hip to push yourself a bit further up. Just mind the pass attempts. That's why meathook is my preference.
Getting the overhook first is ideal, especially if you're pulling guard. You'll be in New York before you even touch the mat
All good advice, Andrew give us more detail. Where are you trying to get to?
Overhook standing all day!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Carbone
Nathan showed us an amazing takedown into leglocks from standing with overhook! but yeah, get it and pull guard BOOM. game over.
Flying kung fu move has always been a go to for me, from a standing position. I agree with Drew, get an over hook while standing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew Ash
I agree completely with going for the overhook before rubberguard. I play a very offensive based rubber guard and focus on flying new yorks chill dogs and kung fu moves. If your problem is that you feel like you dont have enough movement when you get the overhook, then take the guys advice and shrimp out. this way you can keep the overhook in and move around. it also give you more space to get the overhook out and hug the knee.
just as an extra, I know its debatable but I would prefer to spend my time looking for an over hook and cutting MC and zombies out, than have to break down the opponent and do all the extra work. I will do it if I have to but only as a last resort. sometimes id rather give up half guard and get an electric chair sweep. :D
just saying :D
damn, u r right, i was scared of him passing my RG once I put my foot on his hip. here`s an example. I was kindof on the side but when he put his hand on my foot i went for a pop triangle (i think thats what its called).Attachment 3091
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Originally Posted by sean applegate
With this guy I was too scared by his strength of just muscling out of my rubber guard. I was defending for a while before I got in this position. I thought about going for the exhumer but was afraid he would muscle out of that one too. Man RG needs a lot of reps to get good at it. I`ll post the video when it comes out.
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i feel the same way, that has worked better for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Isaac Atley
I almost do too much, my knee ends up hurting a little thats when i stop cuz if i dont, ill feel it after rolling or a 20 minute or more jog. Winter is coming..well fall but feels more like winter is coming and its harder to stretch when its cold so I need more comitment this year.
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Originally Posted by Drew Ash
gogo clinch to hazelet but I was thinking other options too like omoplata, triangle other stuff that requires a meat hook. Thats what Im working on. In my competition my ``coach`` (a guy I just met 2 days before told me to go for omoplata so i was like fuck it, why not, I never do gogo clinch anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by NelsonLucca
Videos are finally in! Here they r!
Match 2
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...type=2&theater
By the way, he was fresh and I had a 6 minute fight about 30 mins ago. I was still tired lol. Plus my neck was fucked, I was gonna call the fight off, then i was like scrue I'll just play defence and see what happens.
As u can see I didn't want the old school sweep I was stuburn, I wanted the electric chair... I know it was stupid but whatever. And looking back at it I C some Rg mistakes. What the hell was I doing with the over hook? Why didn't I rap my arm around my leg! I didn't review eddes dvd's enough obviously at that time.
That roll I did when I was on top half.. I was going for anything, hoping for truck... I just wanted out, I couldn't think...
Match 1
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...type=2&theater
by the way the guy weighs 11 pounds more than I did that weigh in lol
Let me know what u think guys. This is my first time I see myself doing some 10 p on video.
99% of the time I will have the overhook before I attempt any rubber guard. I dont like to have to battle the posture. Its too much work. I'm a lazy grappler
A huge portion of my guard game is focused on the overhook. I almost always secure an overhook before playing rubber guard. It makes it a lot easier for me to break the posture and there are free New Yorks all day. I'm not sure why an overhook would affect your flexibility or ability to play rubber guard. Post the example videos, so we can get a better understanding of what you need help with.