Can somebody please elaborate on what Eddie means by "twisting" your opponents shoulders, when you have an arm triangle from the top? IE if i have an arm triangle with his left arm trapped, should I be twisting him to his left or right?
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Can somebody please elaborate on what Eddie means by "twisting" your opponents shoulders, when you have an arm triangle from the top? IE if i have an arm triangle with his left arm trapped, should I be twisting him to his left or right?
with his left arm trapped,
your left knee on his belly/hip,
you are pushing him away with your knee
pulling down and in with your arms
- your left elbow moving down towards his shoulder slightly,
imagine trying to force his right ear to his right shoulder.
hope that makes sense.
In general the 10th Planet style of finishing the arm triangle/side choke tends to be a little more cranky and arm squeezy than what I prefer, but it obviously works great still. Almost everything in jiu-jitsu is personal preference and that's why it's so cool. If their left arm is trapped, no matter what grip you're using, try to focus on getting his left shoulder to roll into the side of his neck. That's going to close off the artery, so I would say to twist his trapped shoulder more to your left / his right, this way it will drop into the side of his neck and put him to sleep. The trapped shoulder is always the problem side.
The open side that you're closing off with your own arm is almost never an issue. This goes for any leg or arm triangle (triangle, reverse triangle, inverted triangle, side choke, darce, anaconda....)
Watch the first 90 seconds of this video. This might be what Eddie meant by twisting. if not then hopefully you can at least pick up something from the video. This preview clip also has a killer arm-in RNC/nogi ezekiel finish at about 3:50. It may be in a gi, but the entire dvd is nogi friendly, and Hall is obviously an incredible nogi athlete, and this dvd helped out my side chokes, darces, and other head and arm chokes so much. Definitely worth the money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPH4KFe3P84
word, i finish my arm triangles based on how ryan hall shows. more using my collarbone pushing into the arm. i almost never have to squeeze my bicep to get the finish and its not really cranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
yeah man. I've said it before but after buying that dvd set I've found that I'm able to finish my side chokes, darces, marces, ezekiels, anacondas, and everything without burning my arms out. I think there's so much less power involved from my arm muscles, and when I get feedback it seems like everything is a clean choke and not too much cranking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo
i hear ya
there is a guy who trains on an off at my gym and he is extremely resistant to chokes, especially arm triangles. after seeing those dvds i figured it would give it a try and he tapped without having to squeeze. that was a real 'whoa' moment, like a pure test as to how well that pressure worked.
and like you i check often with guys to make sure it isn't cranking so i'm applying the right pressure so it isn't a matter of pain to get the tap
Same here. There's different ideas with this too. I kinda dig what Hall said on the dvd set. Something like "If I want to hurt your neck I want it to be because I want to, not because I'm trying to choke you and I can't. So in a tournament I'd try to take your head off. But in class with my training partners I don't want to be hurting everyone, and on top of that I want a clean choke every time."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo
When I did a nogi private with Rafa Mendes we did a lot of chokes he had a very different philosophy. Almost everything he did was to cause more pain and cranking. For pretty much everything he was like just get your grip and rip their head off.
Then you got the quote from Glover on your sig from the darcepedia. Just squeeze and take that lunch money lol.
That Ryan Hall set is BIG MONEY. Love it.
I feel like I have a fantastic Arm Triangle. One of my best kills, for sure.
I first learned it the old wrestling way: gable grip and crawling out to the side (think about how Lesnar finished Shane Carwin).
Then I saw Eddie's Impaler finish and I adopted that. I was convinced it couldn't get any worse than that. But I got to the point where I wanted to make it a pure choke, nothing but blood. So I ditched the Impaler in favor of that Ryan Hall style up there. Got to the point that I was choking almost everyone with 1 arm.
Now, I am going back to the Impaler. I got the blood choke, and I add the murderous pain on top of it for the ultimate in horror and strangulation.
that's interesting. i noticed that a bit when he covered the arm triangle on the site (with the palm of the hand on the opponent's forehead) i remember him saying that it also cranks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
ya, i was watching it and laughed my ass off when he said it. i think it was to the guillotine after mounting to trap the far arm as your opponent tries to get to his knees (toward you).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
great eye/ear to catch that
I sprawl my chest on their tricep, grab both of my elbows, sit through to scarf, then squeeze. So tight they gag. After I figured it out theres no goin back. I think I got the finish from Eric Paulson, but the setup was trial and error. It is also one of my main weapons against skilled opponents.
Get real sensitive to feeling the anatomy of their neck with your shoulder, bicep, and forearm. Adjust everything till your on something squishy.
Lol thx! if it's about chokes I usually pay crazy attention. Glover always has some funny quotes. That darcepedia is great for setups and entries but I think Hall's got me overall better at understanding the darce and how to chase it from position to position (darce, marce, farce, mounted, etc.) I think both helped me a ton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo
And nice pickup for you about Rafa's arm triangle. Yeah that's exactly how he showed it. It's awful. All of his chokes were awful to be in. I'm sure you saw those training vids on here, but you know he's got ridiculous power and leverage when he's was rolling for ADCC around 66kg and darce chokes Keenan and anaconda chokes Galvao. Keenan probably had what, 30 lbs on him? Galvao the same, if not a little more?
I've never seen him finish that arm triangle in competition before but he came pretty close to finishing it in the gi one time. Maybe on Mario Reis?
So I am sensing that the Ryan Hall Arm Triangles DVD set is worth the purchase? Isn't that set like $150 or something?
What are awesome is that i hear Ryan Hall is gong to do MMA. That what apparently firas has told the guys at our gym.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
Yes, Ryan is doing MMA, and mostly trains out of Tristar. He is 4-0 as a pro so far, since late 2012 / early 2013, with all victories coming by finish (2 subs and 2 TKOs from punches.) Only 1 fight has left the first round. He just signed a multi-fight contract with Titan FC, and hopefully he'll be in the UFC sooner than later. He's adapted Jiu-Jitsu great for MMA, and he has really solid wrestling, and good striking. he's actually competing in pure wrestling tournaments as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Sarasin
You might be able to find a few grainy cell phone cam footage of some of his fights, but I don't think any of them can be seen in high quality right now. I think he's taking the right approach by not trying to rush things, and he's really getting some good experience before jumping into the deep end.
I actually think he's going to go pretty far, and he's super committed to it. He did say recently that he would like to have a no-gi match at Metamoris 5 against Jeff Glover, or if not Glover, Rafa Mendes, or Durinho. But only if it wouldn't conflict with his MMA schedule. he was supposed to face Bill Cooper at Metamoris 2, but had to cancel because of a shoulder injury. I also think he was offered to face Caio Terra no-gi at this recent Metamoris, but he had elbow surgery a couple of weeks before the event.
There was a video interview with Ryan and he said flat out that he was basically disgusted with the ruleset of sport BJJ, and sick of guys playing footsies/stalling, and getting awarded for position over sub attempts etc.
He said he was basically done with the sport circuit and going to focus on MMA. There was a thread on here about it somewhere.
Yeah he's been on that kick for a minute. He got a lot of bad calls in his last few matches. He had a match with Justin Rader where he got takedown points scored against him and it wasn't really a takedown. he had an IBJJF gi match where he took the back and threw on a RNC with a few seconds left but they didn't give him points because he crossed his feet, which he likes to do. In that match he also got stalled on heavy and the guy pretended to shake his hand and tried a takedown or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
I think the biggest mistake was at ADCC 2011. In his quarter finals match with Robson Moura, they were both in 50/50 in a heel hook battle in the no points period, and then when the points started, Robson came up to a knee and got points for a sweep, so Ryan lost by 2. Everyone seems to think he got his guard passed at the end of the match, but Robson never got the pass points, and won of a situation where there should have been no score.
Robson should have come up to a knee for a score of zero, since they were in a neutral spot. From there, Hall would be the guard player and Robson the passer, and any scoring transitions or positions would take effect. I tried to link the match but it's not on youtube.
Gay.
Pretty strong words for the guy that self proclaims he invented 50/50 guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
"I'm done ruining the sports circuit and am going to focus on ruining MMA."
Take it up with Ryan, Joe. lol
I gotta stick up for Hall on this. He's said in interviews on basically every podcast he's been on (Open Mat Radio, BJJ Brick, GrappleArts the list goes on), on his DVDs, and I've even heard it from him in person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Hachey
He always tells the story the same way. He learned the position from Brandon Vera while training at Team Lloyd Irvin. Brandon Vera saw it/learned it from Dean Lister who used it ADCC 2003.
The GIF of Lister doing it in 2003 is here.
http://oi36.tinypic.com/1552uxw.jpg
All Ryan Hall says is that he was the first to call it the 50/50. He and everyone else knows that it was done long before him. he called it the 5050, Lloyd went crazy with the marketing, and it just started getting known as the 50/50. Ryan helped popularize the 50/50 for heel hooks in no-gi and the Atos gang (such as the Mendes brothers and Bruno Frazzato) really popularized the position in the gi.
He didn't invent it and he's never said he did.
Ruining how? I assume you might be trolling? In all of his fights he's gotten the takeodwn and either finished with punches or submissions. He's not out there pulling guard. This is the same insane idea among the people that debate sport vs self defense. People that think if Marcelo Garcia would pull butterfly guard in the street or that Rafa Mendes would try to berimbolo someone in an alley. Not saying that you think that but some people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Hachey
If you saw the Ryan Hall confrontation/fight in the pizza joint you'd see him do what he does in MMA. He blast doubled the guy and put him to sleep. The only other person similar to Ryan's size that has been so crushingly smothering and pressure top game to roll with was Gui Mendes. Gui Mendes gi and Ryan Hall nogi were the 2 most pressure rolls I've felt from guys under 170 lbs.
I was there, man. You didn't see what happened before the video started recording. Why do you think that guy was soo upset with Ryan? They got into a confrontation over who was in line first to order pizza and Ryan ended up holding him in 50/50 for 9 minutes and 30 seconds before coming up at the last minute and placing his order first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
+1 for a legit lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Hachey
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...8121-36645.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Hachey
Hahahaha
Bravo everyone