Monoplata discussion (possible variation)

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10-09-2014, 09:16 PM
Isaac Atley

Monoplata discussion (possible variation)

hey all,

Just wanted to talk a wee bit about the monoplata in more detail. i was hoping the higher belts might be able to help out here. As far as I'm aware, the monoplata attacks the shoulder and is at least in that sense, the same as a baratoplata omoplata, and kimura.

I was watching the newest MTS and Eddie grabs the elbow and twists it around from there. Mono mount is probably my favourite place but I've found when I get the monoplata, my opponent has too much space to move, sure I get the tap but its not efficient. I think it could be better with a different hold.

In my opinion, If I got the monocontrol on their right side, instead of basing on the left elbow first, I would twist my body towards my left side and either base with my right arm or grab their elbow with my right arm (first one gives better base, second gives better control over arm). then grab their wrist with my left hand and bend the arm at the elbow at a slightly tighter than 90 degree angle. then reach my right arm through get a figure four or kimura lock or whatever you want to call it. then I could either keep it tight and twist back the other way, or fall onto my back and twist as I fall.

For guys who put a lot of time into the monoplata, twisting at the elbow works well, but I've found a lot of people I show this to, struggle to find the sweet spot. this is why i'm working on a better submission.

It would be awesome if people put up their own tricks and tips towards finishing the monoplata. If anyone is interested in learning more about them, I suggest watching Marcelo Garcia's dvds on the omoplata which goes deeply into this game.

thanks heaps
Isaac
10-09-2014, 09:23 PM
Ross Davidson

I've been going gogo clinch from there I honestly find gogo platas and logeoplatas easier to do than the mono. Probably have some small detail off that is probably the most important, or something like that though.
10-09-2014, 09:26 PM
Brandon Mccaghren

I LOVE the Monoplata. Prob my favorite submission chain in the game.

All of these videos discuss the Monoplata or some variation. It's all the same move, though, when you strip it back to the principles.

http://youtu.be/5DQXEEATKTU
10-09-2014, 09:27 PM
Brandon Mccaghren

http://youtu.be/29xGyGDrUEo
10-09-2014, 09:27 PM
Brandon Mccaghren

http://youtu.be/3ppFaOldSXA
10-09-2014, 09:28 PM
Brandon Mccaghren

http://youtu.be/T6U0DHcPl-g
10-09-2014, 09:37 PM
Isaac Atley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

I LOVE the Monoplata. Prob my favorite submission chain in the game.

All of these videos discuss the Monoplata or some variation. It's all the same move, though, when you strip it back to the principles.

http://youtu.be/5DQXEEATKTU

So I noticed that Eddie triangled his legs and went from there but you didn't is that just preference or better control on one?

I can see that by not triangling the legs you can grab your knee and use that to torque the shoulder, which is probably less effective with triangled legs.

As you mentioned brandon, strip it back and its the same move. so im just kinda brainstorming different mixtures and seeing what I get, i see the kimura and monoplata are attacking the same thing from different positions but it seems the kimura hold to be stronger. Since a lot of dudes beat me on strength, im trying to figure out the best technique. :)

the other thing im wondering is, how important is it for you to keep them on their side when you go into the mono. It seems like you keep your partner there, right on their side but if they somehow got flat on their back, would that make a big difference?
10-09-2014, 10:28 PM
Logan Cook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross Davidson

I've been going gogo clinch from there I honestly find gogo platas and logeoplatas easier to do than the mono. Probably have some small detail off that is probably the most important, or something like that though.

I love playing gogo clinch from the top as well! If you go Logeoplata from there be sure to switch your gable grip around as you will get much better leverage on the submission!
10-10-2014, 12:32 AM
Brian Debes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaac Atley

So I noticed that Eddie triangled his legs and went from there but you didn't is that just preference or better control on one?

I can see that by not triangling the legs you can grab your knee and use that to torque the shoulder, which is probably less effective with triangled legs.

As you mentioned brandon, strip it back and its the same move. so im just kinda brainstorming different mixtures and seeing what I get, i see the kimura and monoplata are attacking the same thing from different positions but it seems the kimura hold to be stronger. Since a lot of dudes beat me on strength, im trying to figure out the best technique. :)

the other thing im wondering is, how important is it for you to keep them on their side when you go into the mono. It seems like you keep your partner there, right on their side but if they somehow got flat on their back, would that make a big difference?

The monoplata has a much larger strength threshold than a kimura in my opinion. MUCH larger. Its Because your arms are removed from the equation and its finished by your hips. I would spend a little more time perfecting the angle before giving it up.

Make sure his wrist stays behind your back so that its finished with your hip rotation. If that slips lose, you might have to change it into a arm-bar variation (attacking the elbow now). The more you rep it and get used to the move, the less that will be necessary.
10-10-2014, 04:24 AM
Brandon Mccaghren

I have a new sequence that I am working when they explode and put their back on the mat. I just taught it in class for the first time on Tuesday night, but it has been big money for me. Not quite ready to make a video on it yet, though.
10-10-2014, 05:46 AM
Isaac Atley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Debes

The monoplata has a much larger strength threshold than a kimura in my opinion. MUCH larger. Its Because your arms are removed from the equation and its finished by your hips. I would spend a little more time perfecting the angle before giving it up.

Definitely not giving it up, I'm actually trying to put more focus on it and get different ideas from people so I can work them in together and find what works for me best.

What angle are you talking about exactly? :)

Make sure his wrist stays behind your back so that its finished with your hip rotation. If that slips lose, you might have to change it into a arm-bar variation (attacking the elbow now). The more you rep it and get used to the move, the less that will be necessary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

I have a new sequence that I am working when they explode and put their back on the mat. I just taught it in class for the first time on Tuesday night, but it has been big money for me. Not quite ready to make a video on it yet, though.

Cant wait for new stuff from you mate, all your stuff has been money for me so far.

Question for all. when you do a monoplata like brandon shows, and the guy is on his side, how much of a difference does having your butt close to the opponent have to do with getting the tap?

I'm just trying to see all the angles that affect the monoplata. so when I'm sitting in there I can tick them off the checklist. ie. is my butt close enough, have I chicken winged tight enough, where is their wrist and so on.

I like the idea of top gogo clinch because it seems more secure, but I'm going to have to wait until I can test these out properly.
10-10-2014, 08:50 AM
Andrew Alexander

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

http://youtu.be/T6U0DHcPl-g

YAY One more day
10-10-2014, 09:18 AM
Ross Davidson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan Cook

If you go Logeoplata from there be sure to switch your gable grip around as you will get much better leverage on the submission!

So do you mean go from head-hooking hand palm down, to palm up?
10-10-2014, 10:31 AM
Logan Cook

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross Davidson

So do you mean go from head-hooking hand palm down, to palm up?

I'll make a video for it eventually but if you're doing rubber guard with your left leg/attacking your opponents right arm when you go Logeoplata from the guard you want to gable grip so that your right thumb is visible. When you're on top in the same position you want to switch your grip around so that your left thumb is the one that's visible. I hope that makes sense, you should be able to really feel the difference!