I saw this while looking for worlds weirdest guard passes. I was not disappointed.
The first technique is the one I am talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_jtLWR5e7I
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I saw this while looking for worlds weirdest guard passes. I was not disappointed.
The first technique is the one I am talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_jtLWR5e7I
Haha, that's pretty funny to look back on now. I believe this was a legit pass back then because the triangle hadn't been introduced yet. At least I remember Rickson talking about the triangle being a recent addition when he was on JRE so that's what I'm assuming must be the case..
Pretty awesome way to go to sleep. But for the time it was probably legit. Now it just begs, "Pull the arm." Evolution... Now we're using the elbow to open up that thigh, or two in/two out, two high for the arms/or one high around the neck.
The triangle has been around alot longer than the gracie basic videos. Which includes triangles. Rolls brought the triangle from Judo to GJJ in the 70's . Im willing to bet this pass is still taught in Torrance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Eddy
Wouldve been so interesting to see where bjj would be if Rolls was still around
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I feel pretty confident saying that they taught this on purpose, knowing it would get non-Gracies choked unconscious.
Relson still teaches a one hand over, one hand under guard pass. Nothing like this, you break guard first, then combat base, then one in while other tucked to own body, posture up. It's pass #1 that only works against new folks, really, but it sets up a cross knee pass or a knee on stomach pass. The over/under and cross knee are paired together, I think it's to get you to work both over and both under to pass. Double unders are also taught but later. White belts are triangled constantly doing it by blues and ups; but they tell us it's not because of the one over/one under but because we didn't have control nor had proper posture. I think it's more of a teaching tool than a high percentage pass later on. As per this particular one, I think he was drunk. This is no where near what his brother teaches...
I was going to actually type that this morning, but then I got high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
They taught us this pass in Army Combatives back in the day. :-/ I had trained a bit before so I could see the triangle. Always wondered about its origins.
Good thing for the United States of America that Al Queda believes the guard is dead :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin_Pynn
LOL! I hope they aren't teaching this to the armed forces. Our guys would get choked out on the regular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
...yesQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
They're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick Rick
The sad part is this is ive talked to a couple army guys that this is exactly the pass they showedQuote:
Originally Posted by Slick Rick
holy crud! Okay 10P USAF here we come!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
Are they still showing it? I went through Basic training back in 2005...
:-P May need to get some 10p peeps doing Military seminars.
Haha. You just need to master Joe Moreira's triangle smash. (Broke this guys ribs @ 3:13) No more two in or two out!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4iMRlwvRxQ
I agree. There are a few details missing in that old Gracie video.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uTp8NB6jtwo
Totally agree with you Brandon. It a trap or an inside joke among all the Gracie guys to see who's the poor fool will try to learn this techniques...LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
Good ole Zog:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Herzog
The standing variation of this pass is legit and this pass is still taught in Torrance. I saw an old video of Helio showing the standing this to Royler and the details he uses lock the hip and make it very difficult to maintain the triangle. Chet Schemahorn Gracie Jiu Jitsu Black Belt taught me how to pull the standing variation of this off. Pedro Sauer also teaches this move. I am not saying nobody can hit the triangle off Helio's variation, but it isn't easy.
You could try it and if it works good, if not try THIS,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjJPoqEEEOA
I have a huge broner for this guy. This was one mind blowing things I saw him teach a couple guys at the Pac NW camp.
Most of his vids are on the "Fighters Arsenal" channel on youtube but his newer ones are on "The Matt LLC"
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0Q...d2f3Pu-RHgYOOw
I am pretty sure Bas Rutten teaches that counter, but it has been 4 years since I have seen it or used it so I am only like 95% sure. Total flashback for me! Nice post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Gustaveson
Love Bas too.