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My kids just went to a seminar with Royce. I will say that he was a good teacher. His personal brand of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu incorporates strikes and how to deal with strikes. I was very impressed with that.
At some point during the Q&A period one of he students asked him about Rubber Guard and Mission Control and why he didn't like them. Royce replied that he didn't feel those techniques would work in a real fight.
Thoughts?
Nope. None. Thanks for playing.
A man who knows a lot about riding a bike, is not a master of driving a car. and even he can drive a car it still does not mean he is a master.
in other words. even though he has some amazing jiu jitsu, he doesnt know the first thing about rubber guard, and even if he attempted to learn it or learn to defend it, he would not be a master of it. let him roll with Eddie or one of the other rubberguard masters and let him see what it is like to go with it.
in saying that, if he watched the history of the RG and saw how tis effective and its worked before. he should at least give it some credit.
Talk to nathan orchard, Sean bollinger Ben eddy Prokopos etc... We all have heard this crap before
What are you guys eat before and after jujitsu class?
Send your kids to an Eddie Bravo seminar and have them ask him if he thinks the gi helps your no-gi game. I'm dying to know.
Yea it was impressive how he dealt with strikes from back mount versus Hughes. Really saved him the embarrassment of being totally out grappled and further dominated by a lifelong no gi player. From a pure bjj perspective I think we can all apreesh what he did there..
He is incorrect in his statement. Eddie specifically designed rubber guard because he was tired of seeing BJJ fighters getting crushed in the UFC. Being stuck in a strong rubber guard players "New York" position is not a good thing for the top opponent. MMA, BJJ, street fight, regardless. I know for a fact it's effective. I still compete in MMA and will give a personal example. My last fight a got hurt bad in the first round with with an overhand right (turned out it gave me a concussion) and spent most of the fight on back against a good wrestler. I did lose the fight by decision, however, that being said, I did win a round while on my back by utilizing rubber guard and nearly caught him in multiple submissions. More importantly, there is no doubt in my mind, if I hadn't been on the offensive using rubber guard, my opponent would've smashed my skull. Rubber guard keeps your opponents posture broken down and arms isolated making it difficult to execute effective ground and pound.
Many critics say rubber guard doesn't work because "I can get out of it, defend it, ...." countless criticisms. Nothing is 100%. With that mentality, that individual wouldn't use a triangle submission because they could defend it.
Chalk one up for the new guy ^^^.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aiseop
Lets stop being so trollable. We really don't need to defend rubber guard with a million pages everytime someone says anything about it. Different strokes for different folks, let it be.
My thoughts are that the Gracies have a cult following and part of maintaining a cult is to disregard, ignore, discredit outside information lest the followers decide that they would prefer to learn from a non Gracie school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Kiernan
But realistically, unless Royce is delusional (and I think he is), I bet he wishes the Gracies developed the rubber guard so he had something to work with when getting pummeled by Dan Severn. He's very lucky Severn didn't know what a triangle was.
Funny you should mention that, my daughter is going to the Great Lakes Seminar this weekend. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan Gore
For the record, I was not trying to troll anyone. And I consider myself in support of 10th Planet. I read Eddie's book and enrolled my kids in the closest 10th Planet school I could find. I was curious what the criticisms were and what the replies were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Eddy
(And if there is anyone who can direct me to other threads where this has been hashed out, I would like to read them.)
Rubber guard only works in the movies
...better stick to eye pokes and groin shots! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
lol Eddie
My mom tells me this 10p4l thing is just a phase and ill grow out of it. Like that summer i wore heels, all black, and eye liner.
Ain't that the truth BobbyQuote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
The only martial arts techniques that work in the UK in a real fight is to curl up in a ball and don't fight back, otherwise you are very probably going to be at the mercy of our do the jury and judge like the look of you system. Best just to get on all fours and squeal like a pig.