Prison guard.

Hey guys I was looking around and I can't really find much on it. I know the basic but I want more. It got me thinking, who are the prison guard killers in the system and what have they been doing with it. I've heard compella is pretty sick with his PG and I've heard people say it is really useful connecting all the guards together. (similar to butterfly) but as a ronin I don't have the access to someone knowledgeable just around the corner.

Can anyone help me out point me in the right direction or just have a general chat about where and how to use prison guard? I'm into the thought processes behind the position and the philosophy just as much as putting it to use on people.

Thanks in advance.

(Edit) I found the MTS 42 stuff and I just realised it's the third option from half guard; the others being dogfight and electric chair. i.e. pressure them towards dogfight, they fight back, go electric chair, they turtle up to stop it or whatever and grab prison guard.

but still what can you use it for? there is the swim move and back take but what else? Are there submissions right from PG?

I'm interested too. I'd like to see comp/rolling footage of guys who are good with this

There's a lot of great stuff for prison guard. The problem with it though is getting the angle necessary for it. I usually use it if I'm unable to hit a sweep from pdu. But there's sweeps, arm triangles, triangles, Sgt slaughter stuff, rubber guard, swim move, back takes, etc. Hit me up on Facebook if you want some, basic, info. I'm sure there's people much, much better at it than me.

Wasn't Louis Ho big on that?

Good timing, we were working Prison Guard last night at HQ. Basically, if you have butterfly guard and double unders, that's a great way to get to prison guard. Anytime you find yourself in full guard with double unders, simply release one of the underhooks and clinch the neck with a gable grip and you're ready for business.

In addition to the other moves already mentioned, it's also a great way to get to rubber guard. I think it's an awesome way to get to the gogo clinch.

Edwin Dee, a brown belt, was the only person I know of who made prison guard their specialty, but he's no longer with us. Dempsy at HQ is also pretty good at it.

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Originally Posted by scottross

Good timing, we were working Prison Guard last night at HQ. Basically, if you have butterfly guard and double unders, that's a great way to get to prison guard. Anytime you find yourself in full guard with double unders, simply release one of the underhooks and clinch the neck with a gable grip and you're ready for business.

In addition to the other moves already mentioned, it's also a great way to get to rubber guard. I think it's an awesome way to get to the gogo clinch.

Edwin Dee, a brown belt, was the only person I know of who made prison guard their specialty, but he's no longer with us. Dempsy at HQ is also pretty good at it.

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I'm interested. How do you shuck without the proper angle?

The angle you have determines what path you take. If you can't get a foot on a hip to shuck, try bringing a leg up for mission control and then zombie the arm you are trying to shuck. Alternatively, try inserting a butterfly and sweeping to the side of the arm that needs shucking.

Prison guard has really been around for a long time. Minotauro's guard book released in the early 2000's covered it extensively, as does Neil Melanson's recent book. You can find a bunch of it on YouTube, although it may be a little different as it's not 10th planet related

Check out MTS42. Eddie talks Prison Guard Philosophy and goes over Prison Guard from perfect double unders/Lockdown.

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Originally Posted by Isaac Atley

Hey guys I was looking around and I can't really find much on it. I know the basic but I want more. It got me thinking, who are the prison guard killers in the system and what have they been doing with it. I've heard compella is pretty sick with his PG and I've heard people say it is really useful connecting all the guards together. (similar to butterfly) but as a ronin I don't have the access to someone knowledgeable just around the corner.

Can anyone help me out point me in the right direction or just have a general chat about where and how to use prison guard? I'm into the thought processes behind the position and the philosophy just as much as putting it to use on people.

Thanks in advance.

(Edit) I found the MTS 42 stuff and I just realised it's the third option from half guard; the others being dogfight and electric chair. i.e. pressure them towards dogfight, they fight back, go electric chair, they turtle up to stop it or whatever and grab prison guard.

but still what can you use it for? there is the swim move and back take but what else? Are there submissions right from PG?

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Advanced Rubber Guard has a small section on it. The county (toss), lee Morris (swim), Greco (sweep), shortcut (transition), reanimator (transition)...as far as subs the ones already mentioned are pretty much it as far as I know but I imagine there are more possibilities. Just needs some LAB work

We had a student that was death with the prison guard. His PG was very high level. Made it work on everyone including me and barncat. I have a fairly developed whizzer/whizzer game, and it was the kryptonite to me. Problem was he hadn't develop his finishes, but that's another convo entirely. We do got some comp footage of him destroying folks with it, but I don't have access to it at the moment. It's such a great weapon and devastating at high levels when combined with Rubber Guard. Essentially he can't give you an overhook OR an underhook, ever, or you RG or PG him (not exactly that simple but you get the idea). I would like to develop my prison guard more, personally. It's such a versatile tool to have in the box.

I can't do the video box thing on my phone, but here's a match from the summer as a white belt in a blue belt division (dunno if he was a blue belt as his giving me the under hook was fishy) but in the second minute I switch from pdu to pg. Wasn't able to get anything sub wise, but it served as a great transition to rubber guard. If it was my weight class I like to think I'd have been able to do more but he was strong..... And yes, my half assed triangle attempt embarrasses me. Got the win for attacking though ;)

http://youtu.be/C75J-zM_UA8