https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdAY9Bhu14U
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Crazy, it felt weird to me watching it, not sure why.
thank you
felt to me like lister was just collecting a paycheque
Lister looked gassed. What I really took away from this match is that Keenan used that kimura grip as a way to control Dean and neutralize his strength. I have a great training partner, brown belt, who uses that kimura grip almost like a "position." He'll grab it from the most disadvantageous positions and will keep it until you move.
Thanks for posting the video man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aiseop
I agree. Keenan is awesome at using the kimura from anywhere to get where he needs to be.
IMO it's very helpful to think of most submissions as positions. They become so much more. The kimura really is just a position of control that can ultimately be used to sweep, pass, take the back, switch the armlocks, triangles, darces, arm triangles, or use the classic "kimura finish" to wreck someone's shoulder.
In no-gi it's so important to have a strong kimura grip since we can't grab the gi and there aren't handles. The Atos gang (Mendes brothers, Galvao, JT, Keenan, Frazatto, Ramos, more...) all use a shit load of kimuras in no-gi, and not just to finish the kimura either. Ryan Hall just released a great instructional and there's a whole DVD on the kimura as a position and everything that it can be used for. Here's a chapter list and a preview just to give an idea. It's really helping my game and I have awful kimuras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9mRsqvRduHY
1. The Kimura Position
2. Proper Kimura Grip
3. Elbow Control
4. Breaking the Grip
5. Finishing the Kimura
6. Body Structure
7. Side Control Kimura
8. Half Guard Kimura
9. Backside Half Guard Kimura
10. Kimura Defense to Deep Half
11. Kimura to Ezekiel
12. Kimura to Arm Triangles
13. Kimura to the Back
14. Kimura to Armlock
15. Kimura to Reverse Triangle
16. Seated Guard Kimura
17. Guillotine to Kimura
18. Kimura Crucifix to Reverse Triangle
19. Transition Drill
Great vid! Thanks. I'll check out Ryan's DVD for sure.
Thanks for that post Mike. That kimura concept reminds me a bit of the electric chair. The sub is not always there. But you test it anyway. And from there you can still sweep and pass. So with the kimura, you may not get the sub up front, but if you can get in position, you still have other options. Very cool stuff.
I don't think Lister looked gassed. I think he just wasn't ready with the right game plan. At this point in BJJ, there really are different styles, and just like boxing, kickboxing/MT, or MMA, styles make fights and game plans are needed.
Lister was originally set to match with Popovitch. Keenan and Popovitch are stylistic opposites. I think Lister game planned to be the more submission aggressive guy with more wrestling involved. To beat Keenan, you have to train for Keenan. No way around that.
And if memory serves, I believe the Keenan/Lister ADCC match looked a lot like this Polaris match. Keenan had a similar triangle last time too. I think Keenan just figured out where to adjust to get the finish. Lister looks like he still hasn't figured out what to do with Keenan.
Great match for Keenan.
Yeah, it did look real similar. I'll post it for anyone that wants to check it. The big difference obviously is that Keenan had a bunch of subs at ADCC and didn't finish them: http://instagram.com/p/xq7ijahG9OQuote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPMsHbEur8k
Wow. Interesting match. Thanks for posting. Dean already looked gassed at the 5 minute mark. Keenan is so good.
I don't think Dean look gassed. It looked more like Keenan was able to control his aggressiveness. This was super technical.
On the side note, I was very surprised how bored I was with the most Gi matches.
Either guy wouldve got owned by Pablo
I would really like to see Keenan vs Pablo. It was supposed to be the bronze for 88k at ADCC, but I think pablo was injured? Maybe you know, but I know that Keenan got bronze uncontested after the loss in the Barral match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ericp
Eric is totally bias toward south Florida. Pablo's hard to argue against tho.
HAHA I am. Pablo tore his Miniscus during training camp and couldn't continue after completely destroying it Vs. Lovato. I agree I want to see him Vs KeenanQuote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
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Originally Posted by Ericp
Oh really? That was the match where it got really messed up?
http://youtu.be/u75QsVveW6gStarts at 6:45, soory he reaggravated it in the match with AvellanQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
Maybe listers neck is jacked, he looked like he was in a lot of pain and after having Barnett crank on your neck, I could see him not being a 100%
Yeah, that's a big possibility. He's not looked in top shape for a while now, and I wonder if maybe he's a little bit tired and worn down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Alexander
I also think Keenan sort of is the anti-Lister. if styles make fights, I think Keenan is just a bad style for Lister. Their match at ADCC looked very similar, and Keenan had a lot of deep subs, but just wasn't able to close the deal.
Lister's still a beast though. He subbed at least 4 or 5 guys at ADCC and got what, silver?