I guess this happened a little while ago, but I have always wished they would bring some ladies to Metamoris.
Who do you think would win?
http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/7/1/...s-ronda-rousey
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I guess this happened a little while ago, but I have always wished they would bring some ladies to Metamoris.
Who do you think would win?
http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/7/1/...s-ronda-rousey
The more UFC fighters that get involved in Meta, the better! But I also suspect this is hype. Ronda has trained enough BJJ to know what's going to happen to her on the mat with one of the baddest ladies to put on a gi.
I wonder what a girl like Gabi Garcia would say about that quote:
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I bet Gabi could submit Ronda with an over-under just by squeezing her till she shits herself.
She's 6'2", 235.. Ronda walks around at probably 150lb or so? Ronda's quote is not only arrogant, it's ignorant.
She's obviously still working on technique, but look at this power:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKyz_znkhqk
Gabi's comments about it are in this article. http://www.bjjee.com/featured/rousey...appling-match/
I dunno man McKenzie Dern did pretty good against her today in the European Open you should check it out. "I bet you'd be suprised." Lol
Yeah it was impressive when Mackenzie took her back there for a second. Serious David v Goliath. Mackenzie doesn't even come up to her shoulder. Of course, Goliath won and dominated most of the match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony Herrera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vZhpjfHOm0
No disrespect to Hillary Williams, but if she could throw Gabi with a seoi nage Ronda would put her through the floor. Sometimes people hit moves out of nowhere and there is the element of surprise, I imagine Gabi would change her strategy against Ronda, but I still think she is primarily a top player, right? Her getting put on her back could change things significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
Don't want to badmouth Gabi either, but I just think it's ridiculous that we are talking about her skill as it pertains to competing against people 50-100 pounds less than her. It's not her fault (outside of some suspicious drug tests, that is) that she has the size advantage she does, but I would be most intrigued to see her compete against a skilled opponent her size or bigger. Don't think there are too many of those in BJJ, but I bet Ronda's sport (Judo) might have some interesting options.
To be fair here, the conversation was initiated with Ronda's quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotReady
Traditionally martial arts teaches practitioners to be humble, respectful, modest. Ronda must have missed those classes, because, in my opinion, she is a terrible example of how a champion should act. She's always talking shit, and in this case about a sport she doesn't even compete in. She veils it in some half-ass attempt to "give judo the respect it deserves", but all she really does is make herself look like a shithead.
I accept the fact that UFC fighters have to talk shit for Dana, to hype the fight, to get themselves a bigger paycheck. But when you start talking shit outside your own sport, that's not hype, it's just an unchecked ego. She's horribly arrogant and not at all afraid to demonstrate it at a moment's notice.
She's getting clicks, people are googling her, people are talking about her. Like you said, the UFC is a business and she is doing everything right for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
It's also dicey to compare a traditional martial art and a martial sport, or Olympic sport. Champions are hyper competitive, often have to be selfish. It's really tough to compare an Olympic athlete to a casual practitioner at your local dojo. Not saying this is what you are trying to do, but it does need to be considered. Lots of Judo folks who even hate MMA share Ronda's feelings.
I don't know Ronda personally so I can't say anything about her as a person, her ego, whatever. She seemed super cool on the Mastering the System episodes she was on.
I suspect that's due to the way she's dominated her division and her incredible skill-set, and not her shit-talking about how she can beat any woman in the world in BJJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by NotReady
I don't think the lessons in humility pertain only to the casual practitioner. In fact I would posit that they pertain MORE to the most successful. The ambassadors of the sport, if you will.Quote:
It's really tough to compare an Olympic athlete to a casual practitioner at your local dojo.
Yeah, maybe it's all an act to sell UFC pay-per-views. If so, then she really does deserve to be in Hollywood films because her acting skills are second only to her armbar technique.Quote:
I don't know Ronda personally so I can't say anything about her as a person, her ego, whatever. She seemed super cool on the Mastering the System episodes she was on.
You know, to me there is a very good analogy to Eddie vs the older generation of Gracies. Eddie's first book goes on for page after page, specifically giving respect and bowing to individual Gracie family members and their contribution to JJ and Martial Arts in general. On the other side of the coin you have Royce and Royler, who's public attitudes are... well... shitty.
Ronda says a lot of shit publicly that, to me, sound a lot more like something Royce would say than something Eddie would say.
Eddie's public persona is incredibly humble. I've never met him, maybe in person he's a huge douche, I don't know. But I'm not really buying the idea that because you are an Olympic Athlete it gives you a pass to be a shit.
Most Olympians I've heard interviewed seems extremely gracious and humble. And in most cases their couches would probably murder them if they came out talking a bunch of shit about their competitors.
Clicks is one metric, but also fighter pay. Ronda would not be getting paid what she is if not for the attention she draws and PPV buys she generates with her talking. It's the Chael Sonnen effect. Or the Conor McGregor effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
Acting goes both ways, too. There are a lot of starts in our sports (and others) out there that have reputations as nice, humble guys who are in reality the exact opposite. And to your point, real or not, if that example is emulated in the community the net result is good. In some ways if the lid remains on these folks can still be effective ambassadors, but a lot can be said for authenticity.
I think we agree so I don't want to get off on the wrong foot. I feel like we both get it. Stuff like this is not my cup of tea either, but it is what it is.
@NotReady: Yes, I acknowledge that the Chael Sonnen effect is real. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is, as you said. I attribute this to the fact that the vast majority of UFC fans have never stepped foot inside a dojo. They are just ignorant people who want to see guys get their faces smashed in. And if that's what supports the UFC, I guess that's Ok with me. I believe, despite the hype bullshit, that the UFC has done a tremendous amount for martial arts. The fact that any of us are practicing BJJ is 100% a direct result of that organization, and I would like it to continue.
So we, as martial artists, tolerate it like we tolerate guys squeezing on our necks. It sucks, but it's necessary. I suppose I should be more tolerant of statements like "I could beat any woman in the world in BJJ". But that's why I wear a white belt I guess
It's a generational thing, though. Not sure how old you are, but you write like an intelligent and mature guy. A lot of white belts are young, so at times emotions run high and opinions are pointed. Then they get older, move up in the ranks, mellow out, discover shades of gray and things get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
MMA has only been in this country sine 93, and at a large level since 05. We are still getting lots of first generation fans. Like you said, we kind of have to market to them. But the market will mature, and tolerated behaviors will change, just like as a young white belt in bjj grows into a mature black belt. Fighters will mature too. When is the last time a boxer miss weight? There are many aspects of professionalism, even at the highest level, that are extremely lacking in MMA. Those will come with time.
At the same time, this sport/business is and will be two guys beating the crap out of each other in a cage, so I wouldn't ever expect these folks to conduct themselves like diplomats or polo players.