I gotta a quick question. Is Honey hole illegal in IBJJF tournauments? It look like a deep reap, so I was wondering.
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I gotta a quick question. Is Honey hole illegal in IBJJF tournauments? It look like a deep reap, so I was wondering.
As far as I'm aware, it is illegal, but you might want to check that just in case
It is illegal. Its a stupid but because the leg is going from the outside in, it's a reap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhys
yeah, it doesnt seem to tork the knee ligaments so i dont c why it is. That should change.
By the way guys, since I changed gym from tristar quebec to sampa Im getting a lot more days of jj, 7 classes (or open mat) out of 7 days, its mostly fundamental classes but I"m ony a blue belt so its all good, Im getting my confidence back grappling with white belts but a few r pretty darn good for white belts.
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Originally Posted by Brent Smith
unfortunately it is not legal
Look up Zog's capoeira cowboy. It's a honeyhole entry that puts you into the Russian cowboy and it's IBJJF legal.
http://youtu.be/NvCz9Rb04ao
So it's not exactly the honey hole, but the kick back is pretty similar. It's also a killer position if you're looking to add a leg lock game to your half guard attacks. And like I said, it's ibjjf legal.
Zog did 4.5 hours on clam,p wedge and all that fun stuff. He then switched to his quarter guard killer and Capoeira Cowboy. Sooooooooooo good.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Awesome videos Zog :)
Thank you maestro!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
5 stars!!! thanks Zog
What if you are in a straight knee bar and things go wrong and you end up in honey hole?
The IBJJF rules change like every 2 seconds so I could be wrong, but last I remember, they'll just stop the action, remove the reaped leg, and have you place your foot on the hip instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg W
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Originally Posted by David Rosado
Last I knew, attempting finish a straight footlock facing your opponents body is illegal because they say it results in a reap of some sort.
Also, I would have to check to see if the Honey Hole position is illegal because I thought I had asked once about reaping and was told the opponents foot would have to be locked in the opposite hip compared to how it is in the Honey Hole.
Can you sweep with the honey hole if you don't attempt a sub there?
It sucks but you're better to be safe than sorry as I've seen Referees disqualify people when another Ref did not under the same conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojoplata
Had a buddy get dq'd for reaping because his single leg x guard foot crossed the hip while his opponent was trying to escape. My guess is that using the honey hole to sweep would put you at risk for a dq. Better safe than sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojoplata
I'm "friends" on Facebook with a couple of the senior Refs at IBJJF perhaps I'll make a video and submit it for their judgement.
Dude yes! You'd be such an asset to bjj if you could clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Baldwin
Haha, Im ALREADY an asset to BJJ!!Quote:
Originally Posted by David Rosado
Lmao. My bad. Didn't mean it that way. Just saying, getting rules clarification would be huge for so many guys. It would be really helpful. I don't doubt that you're already a great asset to BJJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Baldwin
Hi guys,
what about double outside ashi, is it legal in IBJJF rules?
You have a picture?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustavo Amsterdam
Found it... Yes. That position is totally and completely legal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustavo Amsterdam
Until you go for the heelhook.
Correct, straight footlock only up til Brown belt then Kneebar and ToeholdQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hanley
Awesome guys, thank you very much for the info, good to know that DOA is legal in ibjjf. I am training for a local Gi competition next month (just to stay active, I don't really like Gi...), and I am working on some entries for the Double-Outside Ashi, which is a position that I feel very good control to work on the foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Baldwin
I was told that they would still stop you in this position because of the angle of the knee. We are taught to only have the knee on the ground or straight up...and yes I agree all foot locks should be legal along with reaping.
You guys said ass...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Baldwin
I was a Referee for the IBJJF a while back. The reaping rule has changed slightly since I last reffed to be a bit more forgiving.
Concerning footlocks they had a rule that you cannot be facing the opposite leg when trying to finish or you would have been dq'd. I'm wondering if that is still the case or are they more educated now.
For some crazy reason the Estema Lock or Sock Lock is legal in ibjjf even at white belt. I feel that is the most dangerous lock because of the crazy amount of pressure that can be put on the ankle and foot. You have no time to tap most times.
Yep, I confirmed that it is still the same thing, you must be facing outside or direct to the opponent, you cannot face the other leg. Wondering how this can be controlled in a scramble situation etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Baldwin
I would say the Estima Lock falls under the Toe Hold category... But it looks like a straight footlock attack so it's "okay" for white belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinculp
I don't think the leg lock you reference in the video is legal because he is turning towards the other leg. For the straight ankle lock to be legal in IBJJF, I believe you have to turn away from the other leg.