got my RG stacked

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05-17-2015, 05:32 PM
Craig Murray

got my RG stacked

Rolled with a guy today and he stacked my rubber guard badly. I had him in crackhead and he just stood up and stacked. I dropped my foot to his hip and that slowed him down, and moved him back off of me, but as soon as my leg came back up, he rolled me up again. The second time he stacked me to the point that I had to bail.

The guy weighs a little over 200 lb. I'm at 138.5 lb today. So he's got probably 65 lb on me. I know that had something to do with it obviously, he was really strong and I probably felt like a child to him.

Any suggestions on other things I can try when getting my RG stacked by a guy so much heavier and stronger than me?
05-17-2015, 05:45 PM
john harris & sons

That's why you get to invisible collar ASAP. For that forearm shield
05-17-2015, 06:20 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

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Originally Posted by john harris & sons

That's why you get to invisible collar ASAP. For that forearm shield

This. Although I have a hell of a time clearing the neck when the guy knows I want to and he's tilting his head towards the side I want to clear.
05-17-2015, 06:24 PM
Brent Smith

Get used to it. That's how I stop rubber guard too. I put the top of my head right into your chin. Bail to butterfly or if you can get to homie control work some prison guard.
05-17-2015, 06:28 PM
Isaac Atley

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Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

This. Although I have a hell of a time clearing the neck when the guy knows I want to and he's tilting his head towards the side I want to clear.

Throw some flying shit. Flying chill dog etc. not always possible but good to remember as a separate option.

If he stacked you like that, im wondering how centered you were, while it might not help with a guy that much bigger than you, it is good to work on really getting on one side.

Sometimes you will have to bail, accept it and make sure you have a plan to move on, rather than throwing something random out there last second. maybe this guy here is someone you should use foot on hip with. use the foot on hip to push back anytime he tries to stack you. if he tries to deal with the foot on hip, use that time to get into chill dog,

There is always a counter to a move, tis just finding it.
05-17-2015, 06:40 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

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Originally Posted by Isaac Atley

If he stacked you like that, im wondering how centered you were, while it might not help with a guy that much bigger than you, it is good to work on really getting on one side.

Sometimes you will have to bail, accept it and make sure you have a plan to move on, rather than throwing something random out there last second. maybe this guy here is someone you should use foot on hip with. use the foot on hip to push back anytime he tries to stack you. if he tries to deal with the foot on hip, use that time to get into chill dog,

There is always a counter to a move, tis just finding it.

I'm actually having a difficult time getting on my side when doing RG. For instance when I'm in mission control. I know I should be on my side as much as possible, but I really don't know how to get the rotation on my body so that I am on my side.

Your tip on working between foot on hip to flying chill dog is something I think I can try out this week and possibly succeed with. Thank you Isaac!
05-17-2015, 07:39 PM
Brent Smith

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Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

This. Although I have a hell of a time clearing the neck when the guy knows I want to and he's tilting his head towards the side I want to clear.

If theyre leaning to that side so you cant clear the neck hit that pop triangle. Its in one of the earlier MTS. 17 I think. Its smooth.
05-17-2015, 09:02 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

If theyre leaning to that side so you cant clear the neck hit that pop triangle. Its in one of the earlier MTS. 17 I think. Its smooth.

Ty Brent, will look it up.
05-17-2015, 09:09 PM
Arman Fathi

Feel the energy of his wrists and the momentum/direction they are moving, and look to maybe clear his hand(s) to the mats before entering a high guard. Trying this with the intention of getting a free new york or a free chill dog could potentially help.
05-17-2015, 11:25 PM
scottross

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Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

I'm actually having a difficult time getting on my side when doing RG. For instance when I'm in mission control. I know I should be on my side as much as possible, but I really don't know how to get the rotation on my body so that I am on my side.

While in Mission Control, use your free hand (the one that will eventually, hopefully, hug the knee) to push off the mat in oder to get to your hip.

Something else that might work is Rescue Dog. I find that the process of switching from one leg to the other makes it very easy to turn onto your hip.

Also, if someone is stacking hard while you are in Crachead control, sometimes you pull them over you
by squeezing downwards with your legs and rolling backwards over your shoulder. With a little luck, you can land in mount.
05-18-2015, 08:17 AM
Enrique "Kiko"

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Originally Posted by scottross

While in Mission Control, use your free hand (the one that will eventually, hopefully, hug the knee) to push off the mat in oder to get to your hip.

Something else that might work is Rescue Dog. I find that the process of switching from one leg to the other makes it very easy to turn onto your hip.

Also, if someone is stacking hard while you are in Crachead control, sometimes you pull them over you
by squeezing downwards with your legs and rolling backwards over your shoulder. With a little luck, you can land in mount.

I have definitely had opportunities where they were overcomitted to stacking me in Crackhead Control, I just didnt know the technique to capitalize. Wrestlers new to jiu jitsu LOVE to put all their weight on my chin/mouth/face when I have them controlled in crackhead and it makes it hell to work. Ill try the downward leg squeeze/backwards shoulder roll next time I am in that position.
05-18-2015, 08:36 AM
Mike Bushby

I've had some success hitting flower sweeps when guys try to stack.
05-18-2015, 12:18 PM
Ben Eddy

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Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

I'm actually having a difficult time getting on my side when doing RG. For instance when I'm in mission control. I know I should be on my side as much as possible, but I really don't know how to get the rotation on my body so that I am on my side.

Your tip on working between foot on hip to flying chill dog is something I think I can try out this week and possibly succeed with. Thank you Isaac!

Use meathook to get onto your side and create the angle you want for other positions.
05-18-2015, 12:40 PM
Enrique "Kiko"

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Originally Posted by Ben Eddy

Use meathook to get onto your side and create the angle you want for other positions.

So say I get the meathook going with my left leg and left arm. Do I elevate my hips and use my right hand to help me scoot my hips out to the left more to create the angle?
05-18-2015, 12:57 PM
Matt Thomas

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Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

So say I get the meathook going with my left leg and left arm. Do I elevate my hips and use my right hand to help me scoot my hips out to the left more to create the angle?

I turn my left shoulder into their head while digging for the meathook on the side you described. Once meathook is secured I take my free right hand and control their left bicep. This helps me get on my side.
05-18-2015, 12:59 PM
NelsonLucca

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

Get used to it. That's how I stop rubber guard too. I put the top of my head right into your chin. Bail to butterfly or if you can get to homie control work some prison guard.

This. Brent is right. Keep at it and develop the squeeze. I get stacked regularly by 2 of my training partners and it forced me to develop other parts of my game.
05-18-2015, 06:03 PM
Ben Eddy

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Originally Posted by Enrique "Kiko"

So say I get the meathook going with my left leg and left arm. Do I elevate my hips and use my right hand to help me scoot my hips out to the left more to create the angle?

It's the leverage from your left hand in his armpit and your right foot pushing on his inside hip that will give you the leverage to hip out and get your angle. That foot on his hip will keep him from being able to follow you and straighten back out.

Your opponent will then try and push down that leg and pass if you are keeping the angle on him well. Or they will try and pull and spin out backwards opening up the omaplata, but they will likely be well postured and ready to shrug that. So you can either bail the meathook and take back mission with your newly acquired better angle, or you can transition to other holds like the gogo clinch, hindu etc. depending on his reactions.