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Sheeeee-it...I'll second that.
some man slamming action right there
I don't know why you would let another man slam you like that because you don't want your back and shoulders to touch the mat.... Pull guard, move your hips out, take one of those arms and snap that shit, see if he wants to pick you up to slam you on your head again...
Couldn't even watch the whole video.
Every time one of those guys posted out with there arm I was sure it was going to fucking snap, injuries 101.
Butt scoot FTW
I did Greco for 8 years and I must say a 5 point throw is such a thing of beauty! Great video, thanks!
Can you legally pull a 5 point throw in grappling tournaments?
you can't slam so i guess if you let them go during it then it is all rightQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyK5
my wrestling coach did greco in college and taught me a whole lot of stuff i love throws from the clinch i suck at shooting in
Is this what wrestlers listen to while training? :)
Judo is way better than greco. not matter what anyone says. Judo you don't have to waste your energy scrambling around hugging people for 10 minutes, you just wait till your opponent is off balance or putting his weight towards your and BAM!
How's it better? It's the same thing? Greco is like no-gi judo? Plus for a greco throw it doesn't matter what the other guy is wearing all throws still apply and greco is definately more affective for MMA hands down since there is no gi's in MMA. It's also more affective for no-gi if you're good in the clinch and good with duck unders, that can take you strait to the back attack. Also i've never witnessed 10 minutes of hugging and scarmbling in a match usually, a hug transitions into a throw and as for wasting energy, wrestlers are the hardest working athletes they have the energy to burn.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffRace727
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Maxwell
Believe it or not man, no-gi judo is not a myth, it's real! Also got to remember that Judo also teaches you HOW To submit people. Where do you think all these submissions came from? Where do you think the lockdown came from? JUDO. Judo is a real complete grappling art, unlike greco roman.True they are hard working athletes but I'm sure not all of them are hard working just cause they do greco roman wreslting. Maybe not ten minutes of hugging but I've seen enough "greco roman" lay and pray to last me a life time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Maxwell
First off, don't get me wrong I like Judo and have nothing bad to say about it, I'm just defending greco. Now, as for submissions there are lots of submissions that come from wrestling, such as the twister which is a move wrestlers call a guillotine and wrestlers also use alot of different chokes to control the head, just watch Hughes vs. Almeida. Not to mention even wrestling greats like Dan Gable traces his wrestling roots back to old catch wrestlers like Karl Gotch, Billy Riley, and Billy Robinson who trained MMA fighters like Kazushi Sakuraba and Josh Barnett. Lastly, there is no such thing as lay and pray in greco-roman wrestling, thats called passivity and results in penalty. Lay and pray exists in MMA and yes some wrestlers do use it as a tactic to nullify there opponents game, but don't blame the wrestler for doing what the rules allow. Either the rules need to change and give passivity penalties to for those tactics, or fighters need to learn to stand up, defend takedowns, or find ways to force submissions on dominate wrestlers. The fighter being layed and prayed on is as much to blame for the boring fight as the one doing the lay and pray.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffRace727
You wouldn't want to even if you could. If you've got belly to belly (bear hug with both underhooks), you'd want to take them down with a trip or a small hip toss then pass into side control. If you've ducked under and taken the back you'd want to drag them down while sinking your hooks in then begin all your back attacks. If you have enough control of the opponent to throw them you don't want to do a five point throw and risk loosing that control, just take them down with out risking loosing them when you hit the mat.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyK5
Right, the lay and pray is basically what you'll see when you watch UFC, Strikeforce or any American MMA promotion. That is why I'm more of a fan of DREAM cause they penalty you for stalling. I can respect you for liking a little greco roman, but I'm a pretty stubborn bastard and will always say that Judo is better. I know they probably shouldn't be compared cause one of them is more sport orientated than the other. But whatever, lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Maxwell
i like good throws and take downs from judo an greco, here is some no gi judo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA8FmAV3ax4
Its all good, bro. I'm a fan of all grappling. Gi judo is awsome to know if you live in the midwest like i do. Its cold as hell out so everyone's wearing jackets which work just like a gi top in a fight. One more thing most of the wrestlers you see doing lay and prey come from a folk style of wrestling background. Folk style doesn't have passivity and it doesn't award you for being an aggresssor like greco and freestyle do. Greco guys like Randy Couture and Jon "Bones" Jones rarely lay on you. Oh and by the way, I hate lay and pray too and definately prefer Japan's MMA scoring over the US's. DREAM, SRC (Sengoku), DEEP, etc. have some great fights and slick submissionsQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffRace727
Cool video, bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by sly