Rubber Guard questions..

Maybe some of you can advice/help me fill out some rubber guard holes I seem to have.
I am getting to rubber guard pretty easily, from there I usually go for triangles or dead orchards. Sometimes I go to crack head control to double bagger to invisible collar, but get stuck there :mad:(unless I manage to get it to a dead orchard.)
When someone manages to pass my rubber guard, I usually manage to clear his head and get a carni. I however don't seem to be able to clear the head for the gogo clinch :mad:, as I don't have a leg blocking his mobility/resistance.
I also have a problem when bigger guys counter my rubber guard by stalking and pressing their foreheads firmly into mine:mad:.

The :mad: faces symbolize the problems I would like to resolve.
Any help is appreciated, anytime at all.
Thank you.

Regarding at least the third angry face, I've found that pushing on the side of a guy's head where they're weak can force them in one direction quite nicely. Being really proactive about it can get results. There might be a split-second where you could do something, but I've found that just being proactive and putting the heat on could tie-em up nicely. Sorry I don't have any really technical tidbits, but it might just be a philosophical adjustment rather than a technical adjustment that you need. It's always hard to tell on a forum exactly what you're dealing with, compared to actually being there. But sometimes it's worth evaluating and potentially reevaluating how quick you are to act. Like I said, I've had instances where a change in my philosophy/overall approach to a position made a huge difference as opposed to a specific technical detail. It sounds like you know what you're doing otherwise. It might just be a matter of getting where you want to get first before they have a chance to make your life difficult.

I guess part of it is the idea of invisible collar. IC and Chill dog are places to chill out and go when you are ready. I don't really see it as a massive problem getting stuck in IC, I'll just wait and then smash a kung fu move on them, or go to double bagger and slowly and methodically for muddy waters or gogo clinch.

I find getting the gogo clinch when you're trapped in Half relies on you swinging your trapped leg out while doing the kung fu move. Use it to give you more momentum. work on your leg dexterity for this as well.

As far as big guys stalking you, don't sweat it, just remember that no means no, no matter what guard you use. if they start judging you on what rashguard you wear, don't let it affect your game.

My problem is clearing the head from meat hook to gogo clinch. Once I get in gogo clinch I do fine, I just get a lot of opponents escaping by rolling out (so I roll with them) when I attempt to clear the head; while I have more success clearing the head when going for the carni.

What has worked for me for clearing the neck is using your meat hook hand and grabbing/cupping his chin and pulling. this will give you the space for your foot

thanks, that sounds good, I'll try that.

Start playing with muddy waters from invisible collar.

For stacking. Either change your angle or change their angle. They can only stack when your both parallel. Meat hook is a good example of an angle changer for you and invisible collar is a good example for forcing their angle change.

Didn't understand the problems you're having with gogo, but I choose hindu when they go to pass instead of trying to quickly force a head clear.

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Originally Posted by Jared Scott

What has worked for me for clearing the neck is using your meat hook hand and grabbing/cupping his chin and pulling. this will give you the space for your foot

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Is this similar to the shenaenae, that Bmac shows on his carni variation?

Getting to IC but getting stuck there is a fantastic problem to have. All you do is go to muddy waters and the invisible croc is there for you

Some of us are still stuck at Shitty Mission Control lol

Thanks, I'm not familiar with muddy waters + like your hindu stuff but need more familiarity as well, I'll look into it.

ok, thanks, I'll study muddy waters.

If ur playing meat hook with ur left hand in their arm pit and right hand on their bicep make sure ur on ur side as much as possible .. i like to threaten with a triangle and that usually opens up room for a go go clinch..when i transition from meat hook to go go clinch i take my right hand off their left bicep and place it on their left shoulder. .push off their left shoulder with ur right hand while u clear their neck using ur left hand..once ur foot starts to clear the neck u have to be ready to catch their neck with ur right hand if they try to explode out.. hope that helps... good luck..10WO

Muddy waters all day - unless you leave too much as I did for a while and he pulls his arm out :mad: Invisible croc will be waiting for you

So.. unless you want to stall (which I do not), what is the advantage of getting Invisible collar over getting Crack head control? Is it only an "option B", to ease moving the far elbow in for Muddy waters? Are there any other advantage to putting the extra work in getting the Invisible collar?

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Originally Posted by julian moran

So.. unless you want to stall (which I do not), what is the advantage of getting Invisible collar over getting Crack head control? Is it only an "option B", to ease moving the far elbow in for Muddy waters? Are there any other advantage to putting the extra work in getting the Invisible collar?

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No. For the traditional rubber guard path, invisible collar is the prime position you want to get into. It's what leads into the various go to finishes. Crackhead control has the croc, the pump, and dead orchard. Invisible collar has those same options, plus it's better control AND it's the main way into the two main finishing positions for RG which are gogo and muddy waters. Again, look into muddy waters and start playing it. Once you have played with muddy waters and even the gogo clinch, you will find invisible collar is your go to control to lead to these two.

Thank you.. Ya, I looked into muddy waters. I just did not really understand the advantage of IC over crack head control, since you can get muddy waters etc.. from crack head control as well. I will play with IC and see if it makes the finishes easier for me.

IC is much more uncomfortable for your opponent (some will tap in sparring), will give you more control (posture/stack/duck out), give you more power in your leg pump to set up muddy waters and more attack options. The problem is getting to IC, NYCH is if you can't get IC.

Ya, I get IC easily, I just never did anything with it. If it makes pumping easier, I'll try it to set up a dead orchard or muddy waters. MERCI!