Is there any reason we don't have 10th Planet "Gracie Garages"?

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11-06-2015, 08:01 PM
Ric

Is there any reason we don't have 10th Planet "Gracie Garages"?

There are quite a few 10th Planet locations worldwide and that is fantastic. There also appear to be several Hotboxes worldwide.

Personally, I'd love to see a 3rd type of affiliate -something akin to a Gracie Garage where the leader does not teach the techniques. Instead, he/she is merely facilitating the learning of the techniques through the videos. This site would serve as the connector between people who are able to run the "Garage" (for lack of a better word) and those that want to find a Garage. There would be a listing here of all the Garages, along with a video of the location and an on camera statement from the leader about himself and his training background (again, much like the way it is done for a Gracie Garage). You would still have a vetting process where you make sure the leader is legit -you just wouldn't necessarily expect him to be a beast on the tournament circuit since he's not actually teaching the techniques. He is learning them along with the attendees. The most important thing would be for this site to have a clear listing of these locations, along with an easy way for people to connect with the leader of the location. There could even be a place where people share photos or videos of the weekly training sessions.

I'd love to hear some thoughts on this -particularly from Chris Herzog.
11-06-2015, 08:16 PM
Nick Paul

I like it. Like a pre-hotbox kind of deal. Gotta start somewhere
11-06-2015, 09:08 PM
HerbChao

I think to an extent, alot of us ROnins do this to a degree-we don't run hotboxes yet, but we invite friends or other partners who love the system and then drill techniques before or after class. I can see the debate on both sides, on one hand it'd be cool if there were more clear locations or areas where Ronins or other isolated fans could meet to share their love, and eventually move towards a hotbox or moon. But, I can also see the danger of someone either unintentionally being seen as an actual instructor (when they aren't yet in the system) and then either taking advantage of people (think of the fake black belt in upstate NY or the other blue belt in Europe who pretended to be a second degree black) or even just unintentionally giving folks a false sense of confidence.

Wasn't half the point of the map though to show people where other fans were? That's how I found Jon Cheng, and the Harvard Jiu Jitsu club that I help out at now. I know others have found each other similarly as well and are able to now drill system techs. Interested in hearing what others have to say as well
11-07-2015, 12:12 AM
sean applegate

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Originally Posted by Ric

There are quite a few 10th Planet locations worldwide and that is fantastic. There also appear to be several Hotboxes worldwide.

Personally, I'd love to see a 3rd type of affiliate -something akin to a Gracie Garage where the leader does not teach the techniques. Instead, he/she is merely facilitating the learning of the techniques through the videos. This site would serve as the connector between people who are able to run the "Garage" (for lack of a better word) and those that want to find a Garage. There would be a listing here of all the Garages, along with a video of the location and an on camera statement from the leader about himself and his training background (again, much like the way it is done for a Gracie Garage). You would still have a vetting process where you make sure the leader is legit -you just wouldn't necessarily expect him to be a beast on the tournament circuit since he's not actually teaching the techniques. He is learning them along with the attendees. The most important thing would be for this site to have a clear listing of these locations, along with an easy way for people to connect with the leader of the location. There could even be a place where people share photos or videos of the weekly training sessions.

I'd love to hear some thoughts on this -particularly from Chris Herzog.

Hotbox=gracie garage
11-07-2015, 05:22 AM
Ric

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Originally Posted by sean applegate

Hotbox=gracie garage

Where is the list of Hotboxes? I only see a listing for Moons on this site.
11-07-2015, 06:38 PM
Chris Herzog

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Originally Posted by sean applegate

Hotbox=gracie garage

This
11-07-2015, 06:39 PM
Chris Herzog

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Originally Posted by Ric

Where is the list of Hotboxes? I only see a listing for Moons on this site.

The list of hotboxes are on the Hotbox Criteria thread. Which is how Eddie wants it.
11-09-2015, 08:06 AM
steveramz

You should start a hotbox up, brutha!
11-09-2015, 08:43 AM
Ric

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Originally Posted by steveramz

You should start a hotbox up, brutha!

Honestly, I'd love to but...let me explain.

I have a great mat space in my home where I've actually run a Gracie Garage for the past 6 months. (In addition to the Helio Gracie image I'm required to have, I'm proud to say, a 20" x 30" photo of Eddie hangs on the wall as well.) And while I don't have 5 competition matches on film, it's possible Eddie would waive that requirement since I've been to HQ every summer (with the exception of 2015) since 2010 and I've trained with Marcelo since the day he opened his school in NYC in 2009.

But the problem is, without a clear listing on this site of the Hotboxes, I don't see how anyone would find me. I went through all 16 pages of the current Hotbox thread, and I believe I found mention of 2 Hotboxes. I'm not sure how you'd even go about contacting the people who run those specific hotboxes. Also in the thread, I got the feeling that the Hotbox was sort of a stepping stone towards becoming an affiliate -something I have no interest in at this moment. I'm not even looking to teach 10th Planet. I'm just looking for guys who want to come to my basement and practice the techniques as seen in the MTS videos. So I'm not sure the current Hotbox setup works quite right for me. I may be better with just the periodic posting on this forum about my looking for training partners in NYC/Brooklyn.
11-09-2015, 08:57 AM
Chris Herzog

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Originally Posted by Ric

Honestly, I'd love to but...let me explain.

I have a great mat space in my home where I've actually run a Gracie Garage for the past 6 months. (In addition to the Helio Gracie image I'm required to have, I'm proud to say, a 20" x 30" photo of Eddie hangs on the wall as well.) And while I don't have 5 competition matches on film, it's possible Eddie would waive that requirement since I've been to HQ every summer (with the exception of 2015) since 2010 and I've trained with Marcelo since the day he opened his school in NYC in 2009.

But the problem is, without a clear listing on this site of the Hotboxes, I don't see how anyone would find me. I went through all 16 pages of the current Hotbox thread, and I believe I found mention of 2 Hotboxes. I'm not sure how you'd even go about contacting the people who run those specific hotboxes. Also in the thread, I got the feeling that the Hotbox was sort of a stepping stone towards becoming an affiliate -something I have no interest in at this moment. I'm not even looking to teach 10th Planet. I'm just looking for guys who want to come to my basement and practice the techniques as seen in the MTS videos. So I'm not sure the current Hotbox setup works quite right for me. I may be better with just the periodic posting on this forum about my looking for training partners in NYC/Brooklyn.

You are looking at the wrong thread, that someone popped up. Its 10 wins, not 5 matches. And if you are looking at the correct thread its all listed in the first page of the thread. Hotboxes aren't supposed to be advertised, as you are not paying to use the name, its a training group not a school. The primary goal of a hotbox is to work on developing an affiliate/moon, its not necessary to do a hotbox first, but its an option for those that aren't at the appropriate rank/skill level. When you are paying an affiliation fee you get all the benefits of your school being listed on the site under the locations tab. The system is working as intended.

http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...otbox+criteria
11-09-2015, 09:58 AM
Ric

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

The primary goal of a hotbox is to work on developing an affiliate/moon, its not necessary to do a hotbox first, but its an option for those that aren't at the appropriate rank/skill level... The system is working as intended.

http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...otbox+criteria

I understand. I think informal training with some local people interested in meeting up to train with me, would work better for me. I think the Hotbox thing is a bit above what I'm looking for.
11-09-2015, 10:40 PM
Brian Debes

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Originally Posted by Ric

I understand. I think informal training with some local people interested in meeting up to train with me, would work better for me. I think the Hotbox thing is a bit above what I'm looking for.

The hotbox was originally like a gracie garage as others have said. Originally there was no mention of the goal of a hotbox being to become a moon necessarily and the criteria was a bit lower than it is now. It was a little higher than a Gracie Garage to start with in order to maintain credibility. Some folks were exploiting the 10th Planet name with their hotboxes witch is why things changed. They ruined it for people like you, which is why I was against the changes at first, but then when I saw how the current rules were being exploited, I was for the changes. And I was the only member of the 10wo that expressed concerns in the first place. As someone who has seen it from the inside, no one is going to back starting a 10p program lower than a hotbox right now. You however, would be an example of someone I would love to have on board and that I'm sad your filtered out by this process.

All that said, I think you might be able to make the hotbox thing work for what your speaking of if you want.

All the best my friend!
11-10-2015, 06:55 AM
Ric

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Originally Posted by Brian Debes

You however, would be an example of someone I would love to have on board and that I'm sad your filtered out by this process.

All that said, I think you might be able to make the hotbox thing work for what your speaking of if you want.

All the best my friend!

Thank you. I really appreciate your words in this thread and your taking the time to give some background on how the Hotboxes evolved into their current incarnation.
11-10-2015, 08:17 AM
Pat Campagnola

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Originally Posted by Ric

I understand. I think informal training with some local people interested in meeting up to train with me, would work better for me.

This is what we do. We get together a couple nights a week to drill the warm ups and whatever is latest from MTS or other 10th Planet instructors.
11-11-2015, 01:36 PM
Eddie Bravo

Like Herzog said, we can't advertise and promote hotboxes, it's not fair to the official moons that have gone thru the proper affiliation process
11-13-2015, 11:22 AM
steveramz

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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo

Like Herzog said, we can't advertise and promote hotboxes, it's not fair to the official moons that have gone thru the proper affiliation process

Oh snap, got Eddie himself to reply :o)