Hey guys, how do you pull off a rubber guard on a larger guy? Like, when their shoulders are wide, or they're just really big people.
I feel like forcing a rubber guard by pulling my ankle towards me would just bust my knee.
Thanks :)
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Hey guys, how do you pull off a rubber guard on a larger guy? Like, when their shoulders are wide, or they're just really big people.
I feel like forcing a rubber guard by pulling my ankle towards me would just bust my knee.
Thanks :)
I've heard Eddie say that if they are too big you have to skip steps. Look for free NY, free Chill Dog, and flying kung fus. Of course the best option against a big guy is get on top and stay there.
God I got smashed last night by a big ole boy. I usually rush to omo as quick as possible to try and sweep for top
You have to angle your hips, don't stay flat on your back. Angling should remove the stress on your knee.
I've had some success arm dragging one elbow in, and then starting from there.
I agree with Chris, to be more specific, get them to the side of you. There are two main angles in RG, the meathook angle and the arm bar angle, I personally choose the meathook angle for most bigger opponents. That's a personal choice. Like Chris said, its about getting the angle. I just really like how when you point your knee down in meathook and then have your arm to reinforce that, just the game that comes from there.
I really like this, the idea of two angles is a great way of putting it. Brandon from 10P Decatur has some excellent excellent videos for engaging the hips and the basic idea of a rubber guard strategy and those are both amazing. Something talking a little more about the angle could help guys I think but the "Improve your Rubber Guard instantly with this simple strategy" video shows it a good bit. Wish I could link the video but think it's FB only. When I started playing rubber guard I had to figure out a lot of details and all on my own so I kinda had to look at regular closed guard basics I was taught and apply them to rubber guard and if I'd had these earlier on it definitely would have helped me out a little I think. Though I was probably missing all kinds of sources of info back then, I was new and didn't know what all was out there.Quote:
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Try this link and see if it works for you guys. It goes to the 10th Planet Decatur Facebook page. This is the video Brad referenced.
https://www.facebook.com/10thplanetd...6604902691911/
How do you keep them from stacking and driving their head toward your head to kill the omoplata option?
Are you getting to chill dog? If so then the frame just needs to be real solid, if not and you can't get there because they're too tight I think attack the far arm for armbar set ups or switch to a butterfly guard. That's what I'm doing. You can see it in Brandon's video above which is just excellent.Quote:
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I go to meat hook and post my other hand on the floor like I am going to sit up. If you do that and turn your knee down really hard you get a good angle..and if they try to grab that hand then it opens their armpit for you to flip your foot in and get wrist control. They're also super off balance and you can just roll them over from the stocks. Not sure if you were talking in general or about the video, but I've been having major success w this path and have a great set up to, I believe, the special k from there. I just calm it the straight jacket from the top normally..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by kevinculp
I haven't tried posting while in meat hook, trying this as soon as I'm back on the mat. I've got one guy with real strong pressure I roll with regularly where it's always go to NY crackhead or bail to butterfly guard just because his pressures strong and he gets it quick so I have to catch him early to get a meat hook or get to chill dog. Guy doesn't work much inside guard so just get stuck there if I don't make the switch. Great roll for me because its a tough spot and get put there on the regular.
I use the omoplata from the old path a lot and since im 162-165 A lot of dudes are bigger than me. Keep in mind that this is white belt advice, but I go to the omoplat the second I am able to hug me knee. Zombie(if needed)>hand on mat>hug knee> omoplata as fast as possible, after hugging the knee. People figure it out pretty quick and wont let you get the zombie if they are way bigger than you though. I dont know how to fix that. Also being on my right hip seems good for most rubber guard but being on my left hip feels nice when Im going for the omoplata because I can try to shift our weight to that side and encourage them to put their hand on the matt. Then switch hips and go.Quote:
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When I go to meathook, I cant control their right arm well enough to keep their hand on the mat. And dudes too big for me to triangle so I dont have that option from meathook, my legs arent nearly long enough. 300 pound powerlifter and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tori Applegate
I know when I go for the rubber guard they drive in to squar up and since I don't have flexibility it kills my attempt at rubber guard and Williams guard aka London. I also know that when anyone try's to play rubber or high guard I stack them keep my underhooked arm on the mat and and drive my head to other side ear to ear. Then using free hand pimp arm it to their hip walk around to opposite side of the overhook while switching my hips back and forth to open closed guard which is where they go as soon as I stack and it becomes an old school Jiu Jitsu pass. As long as I can keep you stacked with my head on the opposite side ear to ear it cuts down a lot of options I feel. That being said I've never gone against a heigh level rubber guard. But I do this pass or defense depending on the level of partner all the time. Recently I've been trapping their free arm and walking around it until I can grab it with my over hooked arm.Quote:
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Like you said, you dont have good flexibility. Sounds like the first aspect to work on. Can you double bag? Why dont you double bag and then underhook their right leg so they cant stack you.
Are you having trouble with rubber guard on bigger guys, or rubber guard in general?
Kai Bele should be able to help you troubleshoot these type of problems. I see you're a brown belt, and no doubt you can whip my ass, but the question in post #15 strikes me as a intro level rubber guard problem.
Gogo clinch!
Flying Kungfu and all those juicy flying freebies are the only way to go against big dudes. It all happens from butterfly guard for me against those guys.
Correct. Which is why when they stack you use meathook and rotate your knee to the floor and use the grip on the armpit(in conjunction w your meathook leg) to push them back down. Essentially you just scoot yourself out to the side of them again. Does that make sense? That's why I have to post sometimes..to drive the person down some then I basically scoot out to the side as described. Anyways, from there I go to the stocks. I don't think you have to be flexible to do any of that, you just have to get the correct angle.Quote:
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I think I know which pass. I use a knee slice normally.
Do you play RG with your left or right leg? If you are talking about the overhook, I normally don't zombie, but transition to meathook from the having the overhook previously somehow. If you start hunting to overhook period, they'll start to pop up ya know.Quote:
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As far as controlling that, really flex your knee to the floor and turn your wrist up, we call it a "Light Bolt" here in the south. It's the angle, you are beside them smashing them into the floor. If the angle is slightly lost, post with the available, non-meathooking hand and angle out and repoint your knee to the ground. If you don't have a ton of subs from there, I personally don't use that triangle too much, then sweep them w the stocks and get yourself in an awesome top control position.