IBJJF rules clarification help

Looking for some help on IBJJF rules from someone who knows the rules well.

I'm wondering where they consider it to be a pass. Each of these positions are a little bit different and I want to know if they would consider it a pass if the exact position in each photo was maintained for the needed amount of time.

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Kesa Gatame but the guy is turned into you.

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Side control, knee in the side fully passed opponents legs or knees, but they are turned into you and have an underhook. You however have them controlled here and have held the position for the needed time.

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Same position as the last picture, but this time they don't have the underhook.

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Same position as the last picture, but you don't have your knee in. Both of your legs are planted out.

Attached image below = Kesa Gatame with their back flat to the mat.

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Turned away from you and you have your elbow in above their thigh controlling their hips.

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Same position as before but this time you have a cradle grip.

7cyneAv.jpg = Pass
Mx3pRft.jpg = If you have him controlled for 3 seconds it's a pass.
Mx3pRft.jpg = Pass
yc5FsO7.jpg = Control him for 3 seconds it's a pass.
sexqC2q.jpg = Definitely a pass.
q5P8QOW.jpg = Also definitely a pass.

Do note that you have to control your opponent for 3 seconds, pass his legs to be counted as a pass :)

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Originally Posted by oliverdomingo

7cyneAv.jpg = Pass
Mx3pRft.jpg = If you have him controlled for 3 seconds it's a pass.
Mx3pRft.jpg = Pass
yc5FsO7.jpg = Control him for 3 seconds it's a pass.
sexqC2q.jpg = Definitely a pass.
q5P8QOW.jpg = Also definitely a pass.

Do note that you have to control your opponent for 3 seconds, pass his legs to be counted as a pass :)

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How do you know? I just want to be 100% sure on whether or not they are passes.

I was pretty sure they were all passes if secured for the needed time, but others were convinced most of these were not going to be considered passes yet. Some thought an underhook was needed and or the back being flat to the mat.

Honestly, I wouldn't bet/relly on it.

I would just not compete in anything ibjjf. Problem solved. YMMV

So Ben, my coach is a Ibjjf ref and the challenge with all of these are it depends on the refs opinion.... What I mean is if the bottom person is still actively attempting to reguard then most refs will only give an advantage until top person is clearly dominated and has back to mat for 3 seconds. Also without video it's difficult to say because if top person attemped take down then you only receive those points and no guard pass points only would get points for mount, knee on belly or back control. Basically it's all up to interpretation and every ref will be different unfortunately. Sorry there is nothing clear cut in an answer for you but that is IBJJF....

Also my coach and I will be at the Eddie Bravo seminar in San Mateo so if you want to bring the video he can go over them with you

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Originally Posted by Scott Chapman

So Ben, my coach is a Ibjjf ref and the challenge with all of these are it depends on the refs opinion.... What I mean is if the bottom person is still actively attempting to reguard then most refs will only give an advantage until top person is clearly dominated and has back to mat for 3 seconds. Also without video it's difficult to say because if top person attemped take down then you only receive those points and no guard pass points only would get points for mount, knee on belly or back control. Basically it's all up to interpretation and every ref will be different unfortunately. Sorry there is nothing clear cut in an answer for you but that is IBJJF....

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Originally Posted by Scott Chapman

Also my coach and I will be at the Eddie Bravo seminar in San Mateo so if you want to bring the video he can go over them with you

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Cool thanks. I'm down in Oceanside training with Geo these days so I won't be able to make it to that seminar.

Yea I'm saying would it be counted as a pass for each of these positions if they were successfully held for the needed three seconds? I'm not saying here is a pic of the scramble. I mean if the top guy had the position in each picture and controlled that exact position for the needed time. You said yes it would be if they controlled for three seconds, but you also said only if they had the back to the mat. I'm wondering specifically which it is. Do underhooks matter, do backs to the mat matter? Or do you just need to be past their knees / legs and then control for three.

Ben,

7cyncav-points awarded
Mx3pr-advantage until bottom person is no longer appearing able to re guard
6vmqq same as above
Last 3 would all be points awarded.

Remember it also depends on how these positions were established prior to so meaning was it a take down attempt that got here or were they in a guard or pulled guard, also if u pull guard going backwards at all the. It's a takedown and no points awarded for a pass.
Hopefully this info helps out. Also I'm hoping to train with u guys next month as I'm taking kid to legoland

Ibjjf of overwhelming subjective. I have taken allot of time to try and understand the rules but my practical experience here is a "maybe" on all of them. Best of luck buddy.

It's horrible Barncat, I had a teammate lose in the PanAms bcuz the guy barely passed 1/4 guard for not even a second and he got put right back in and was awarded points then I see these pics that are clear cut passes to me and to know that most likely no points is nothing short of flabbergasting. Every time I compete I only go for submission and if I lose off of points in ok with it because I know I was the aggressor and not playing the points game.

Thanks Scott.

I've never heard that if you pass directly off of a takedown you don't get pass points, you only get takedown points. This is coming from an IBJJF ref?

Yes because there was never an actual guard, so you get the 2 points for takedown, I kept asking him that as I was so confused about it......