10th Planet Hate is Strong

So I live about 190ish miles away from the closest 10th Planet and long story short I wanted to train in my home town Mon-Fri and then travel to the nearest 10th Planet (in San Fran) on the weekend to train there. I told the gym here in my home town (that I had trained at in high school before I left for the Marine Corps) and they told me they dont want me at their school "poaching techniques"

I dont want to say exactly what school, but has anybody else had to deal with something like this? How much hate have you gotten for 10th Planet love?

-Will Richison

So they're not going to let you pay to train at their school because on weekends you will be training somewhere else, and they think you'll show everyone their secret moves? Sounds like the kind of place you don't really need in your life, to be honest.

Oh yeah dude and the crazy thing is, back in highschool I thought those guys at that gym were hot shit. This gym in my home town has almost a cult following, Its just crazy how dismissing they were. Like they had the holy grail at their gym and they dont want me stealing it.

That's funny that you used the word "cult", because I was thinking of saying that same thing in my original post. Is there another gym in your city that you can train at?

There are 2 Paragon gyms and a Carlson Gracie fight team just opened up but I want to train with 10th Planet. Im not a big fan of training in the Gi. And 10th Planet is the best for No Gi.

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Originally Posted by Will Richison

There are 2 Paragon gyms and a Carlson Gracie fight team just opened up but I want to train with 10th Planet. Im not a big fan of training in the Gi. And 10th Planet is the best for No Gi.

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I'd say work with Paragon. From the last I remember, Paragon has a friendly relationship with 10th planet. They're also more open to experimentation. And last I remember, they have a solid love of no gi. Gracie schools might be a bit more restrictive because they're old school JJ. It's a bit cultish, but it's also just cultural. Like old school Brazilian culture where cross training or going to a different school gives you the label of creonte.

Come to think of it, maybe it's not 10th planet hate and it's more about keeping their system and "secrets" "pure."

Yeah that's not 10p hate you're seeing. That's an instructor who is afraid he's not that good, doesn't want to learn new things, and is afraid he won't know how to deal with YOUR secret moves. (or wont be able to teach his other students how to defense your moves)

So basically if you roll in there and start tapping all the other whitebelts with some rubberguard, and he doesn't know shit about it, what is he going to say to the whitebelts when they ask what to do against you?

he just doesn't want to deal with that by learning the system a little bit.

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Originally Posted by Craig Murray

Yeah that's not 10p hate you're seeing. That's an instructor who is afraid he's not that good, doesn't want to learn new things, and is afraid he won't know how to deal with YOUR secret moves. (or wont be able to teach his other students how to defense your moves)

So basically if you roll in there and start tapping all the other whitebelts with some rubberguard, and he doesn't know shit about it, what is he going to say to the whitebelts when they ask what to do against you?

he just doesn't want to deal with that by learning the system a little bit.

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That's a fair counterpoint. I'm not saying it is or isn't. I'm just saying "maybe." It could be one or the other. Assuming everything is hate isn't helpful.

Personally speaking, that is not an atmosphere I would want to be around. Especially in today's day and age of information, if you think your teaching some secret unknown technique and therefore, don't want anyone to "steal/share" it, than you are the definition of ignorant/misguided. And, honestly probably not that good. IMO, if ANY inscructor (no matter the affiliation and including my 10th planet family), frowned upon cross training, I wouldn't be apart of that gym.

Thanks everyone for their opinions. I really appreciate it!

-Will Richison

Most good instructors encourage there students to "explore". I tell my students all the time to test themselves else where. It would seem to me that its not they want you to "take" they are worried about what you might gain!

That's not 10th Planet hate, that's just a bad instructor. I primarily trained with a Jeet Kune Do school and they loved me bringing in 10th Planet techniques. I'd catch them with something and the instructor would spend the next few days trying to come up with a counter. Good instructors welcome anything that can improve their class. Sounds like this place is insecure. Paragon would be the way to go. The deep half and the Homer Simpson sweep... should be a no brainer.

they hate us cuz they anus

I had a coach quit talking to me because I was cross training at a 10p moon. (I thought it was something else but, nah) I haven't been invited back to that gym. kinda sucks too because I liked him and he was very helpful. but it was like, train somewhere else and your out. no more time spent on you. I don't need to feel like that. I'm a grown-ass man. nobody owns me except my wife and kids. lol. so, I go to 10p as often as I can (its 2.5hrs away) and I'm saving up for mats so I can do some ronin stuff near home. I aked my moon head how he felt about me cross training occasionally and he said "cross training is awesome. you should do it any chance you get. you cant learn everything in one place." just one more reason I love the 10p community.

Without going into a lot of detail I had someone I believe intentionally injure me for wearing 10th planet gear. I went to a couple seminars and started really studying the system, had a larger very traditional blackbelt ((I was a I think 1 stripe blue belt at the time?)) grab a toe hold when he was frustrated, I let out a yelp as something kinda crunched and he kept going until that lovely chicken bones tearing apart sound. Can't remember the other ligament but had a tear on my ATFL and something else. Of course can't prove that's why it happened, could have been an accident, but man, it was pretty questionable. Ankle's never been right since. Made it a point to get a couple other 10P rashguards while rehabbing my ankle. Because, well, fuck that guy.

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Originally Posted by Zac Wilson

I had a coach quit talking to me because I was cross training at a 10p moon. (I thought it was something else but, nah) I haven't been invited back to that gym. kinda sucks too because I liked him and he was very helpful. but it was like, train somewhere else and your out. no more time spent on you. I don't need to feel like that. I'm a grown-ass man. nobody owns me except my wife and kids. lol. so, I go to 10p as often as I can (its 2.5hrs away) and I'm saving up for mats so I can do some ronin stuff near home. I aked my moon head how he felt about me cross training occasionally and he said "cross training is awesome. you should do it any chance you get. you cant learn everything in one place." just one more reason I love the 10p community.

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It's weird how people think they can tell grown individuals how to be. I've had a similar experience. Just because I'm relatively new to Jiu Jitsu doesn't mean I don't have any past experience with martial art, and even if that was the case, there are other ways to relate information than "we won't speak to you now because you're interested in developing yourself in a fashion that's interesting to you. You have to do it exactly like us". Bunch of bull. Yup. One is better off surrounding themselves with people who support them, no matter where they're at.

I don't think 10th Planet hate is strong at all, human hate will always be up there as one of life's oddities. Has hate ever achieved anything positive?

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Originally Posted by Chris Garry

I don't think 10th Planet hate is strong at all, human hate will always be up there as one of life's oddities. Has hate ever achieved anything positive?

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Well it made Luke Skywalker powerful (according to the emperor)

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Originally Posted by Chris Garry

I don't think 10th Planet hate is strong at all, human hate will always be up there as one of life's oddities. Has hate ever achieved anything positive?

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How can there be love with no hate? Do hate and fear not define love, by being their opposite? Yin and Yang.

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Originally Posted by Jarrell Garcia

Personally speaking, that is not an atmosphere I would want to be around. Especially in today's day and age of information, if you think your teaching some secret unknown technique and therefore, don't want anyone to "steal/share" it, than you are the definition of ignorant/misguided. And, honestly probably not that good. IMO, if ANY inscructor (no matter the affiliation and including my 10th planet family), frowned upon cross training, I wouldn't be apart of that gym.

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So much this. I am so thankful for my gym and my area. Being in a military town, we have the luxury of training with folks who have traveled all over the place. We get to see a lot of different looks in the jiu jitsu sense and it is absolutely amazing. We don't care who you affiliate with or what style you prefer. Good training is good training regardless of the politics that people try to inject into the lifestyle.